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Why no RAF Curtiss C-46's?

Of all the various aircraft produced in the USA during World War II, most entered service with the RAF and/or FAA either through Lend-lease or direct purchase. However, the Curtiss C-46 Commando did not, despite a production run of over 3,000. Does anyone know the reason/s behind this?

Granted, there were a few other US aircraft, such as the Ryan PT-22, which also never served in the RAF/FAA, but why no C-46’s? IMHO, the C-46 Commando could have been of great use in the Far East.

Incidentally, BOAC purchased the Curtiss CW-20 prototype, but this was withdrawn early on due to a lack of spares.

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By: keithnewsome - 5th December 2008 at 20:28

I am sure I have seen Seaboard and Western (later Seaboard World) C-46’s at Heathrow in the early 60’s, doing freight runs for ???? I seem to remember a lot of blue smoke issueing from the engines during taxying !
This quote from the Seaboard website.

The Curtiss-Wright C-46 “Commando” was based primarily in Europe, and served as a feeder aircraft connecting Seaboard’s main European stations with smaller, outlying cities. The company operated a number of Commandos over two decades of service, but never more than two at a time.

This photo also from same website.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/old%20props/c46_1.jpg

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By: jack windsor - 5th December 2008 at 20:10

hi,
mention of the Packet,made me wonder,so dug out file of thread bare
note-books,and logged on 26/3/66 at LAP,

N9890Z- c/n 33111
N9893Z- c/n 32970

noted of Capital Airlines.

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By: J Boyle - 4th December 2008 at 21:18

hi,
i seem to remember seeing 2 or 3 C.46,s in/out of Heathrow,in the early
60,s can,t remember reg,s or company( try and find log,s) but i was told
they transported engines around Europe for i think one of the U.S airlines.

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jack…

Any chance you’re thinking of a C-82 Packet?
TWA had one in Europe for the mission you describe.

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By: Scouse - 4th December 2008 at 20:46

One of them was N9893Z used by Lufthansa. I’ve also got a vague idea that TWA were involved as well. Somewhere I’ve got a rather poor picture of it at Heathrow from about 1966/7, which I’ll try to dig it up later.
Come to think of it, it’s probably the only time I’ve ever seen one.

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By: jack windsor - 4th December 2008 at 17:53

hi,
i seem to remember seeing 2 or 3 C.46,s in/out of Heathrow,in the early
60,s can,t remember reg,s or company( try and find log,s) but i was told
they transported engines around Europe for i think one of the U.S airlines.

regards

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By: Joglo - 2nd December 2008 at 12:28

Not cleared by A&AEE for RAF for same reason never certificated civil by ARB or any civilised Authority: engine out on take off, loaded, = lethal. Sweden (Tor-Air/Transair)/ Norway (Fred Olsen) just endorsed FAA; AF/LH, leasing Capitol’s in the 1960s, kept them on N-reg.

Good point.
I worked at Southend airport in the 50s and two C-46 were used by a Swedish company to fly German, Solingen steel tools to the UK.
I was ‘reliably’ informed that they were hopeless with one engine out.

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By: bazv - 2nd December 2008 at 12:18

engine out on take off, loaded, = lethal.

Hi AK
To be fair to the C46,that statement would probably apply to most twin engine a/c in the 30’s/40’s !!
From memory I think the C46 was a bit of a handfull (or was it Boot-full ?? :D) during Landing/Take off.Perhaps A&AEE thought the circuit handling was a bit ‘iffy’,would be interesting to find out how many were damaged during landing accidents etc,I think she was a bit of a ‘Swinger’.
The C46 could carry quite a load and perhaps this alone made the engine out case even worse than other a/c.

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By: alertken - 2nd December 2008 at 11:22

Not cleared by A&AEE for RAF for same reason never certificated civil by ARB or any civilised Authority: engine out on take off, loaded, = lethal. Sweden (Tor-Air/Transair)/ Norway (Fred Olsen) just endorsed FAA; AF/LH, leasing Capitol’s in the 1960s, kept them on N-reg.

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By: diamant - 2nd December 2008 at 10:28

Hi

I knew about the CW20 (actually we made it in 1/72) but I didn’t know about the two C46 (44-77624 & 44-77627) used for parachuting trials.

Did they carried RAF markings? Is there any photo available of at least one of these C46?.

Many thanks in advance

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By: DaveF68 - 1st December 2008 at 23:03

The Airborne Forces Flight in the Far East also borrowed a C-46 for a couple of trial, but none were taken on RAF charge.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 1st December 2008 at 21:31

There were two C46 (44-77624 & 44-77627) used for parachuting trials during 1945 at AFEE using British kit. These two photos show 6 CLE containers (the same load as a Dak would carry) rigged for drop on one of the C46.
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By the late war period the UK Airborne Forces were fully capable of being dropped from US aircraft, a situation that continued into the 1950s and to a much lesser extent after that.

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By: Cees Broere - 1st December 2008 at 18:18

Of all the various aircraft produced in the USA during World War II, most entered service with the RAF and/or FAA either through Lend-lease or direct purchase. However, the Curtiss C-46 Commando did not, despite a production run of over 3,000. Does anyone know the reason/s behind this?

Granted, there were a few other US aircraft, such as the Ryan PT-22, which also never served in the RAF/FAA, but why no C-46’s? IMHO, the C-46 Commando could have been of great use in the Far East.

Incidentally, BOAC purchased the Curtiss CW-20 prototype, but this was withdrawn early on due to a lack of spares.

Regards,

Jan

The C46’s were very useful on the “Hump” flights over the Himalayas/

Cheers

Cees

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