April 18, 2007 at 11:55 am
Did anyone see a plane on Sunday April 8th 2007 which appeared to try to land repeatedly at Manston Airport with its wheels still inside?
It looked like a small commercial or cargo plane, predominantly red and white (white body, red features). No sign of wheels showing. Close enough to read number (but didn’t record it).
Seen from Sandwich Bay beach (Kent) where it repeatedly flew low, swung from east/north east around to Manston and glided as if landing along runway only to then take off without touching (or appearing to touch) ground. We saw this happen at least a dozen times.
Practice for an air show?
Can a commercial plane make an emmergency landing without its wheels?
What are its chances of doing so successfully?
By: rdc1000 - 19th April 2007 at 15:33
However, it appears that as I was posting, so was ClanWilliam, admitting it was a 747, so really not a ‘small’ aircraft at all then LOL.
By: rdc1000 - 19th April 2007 at 15:27
Come on guys, stop with the negative comments…
Do bear in mind he saw it at a bay, so is not likely to be able to of got a wonderful view of it, especially without any binoculars.
And do also consider that it was his first post, so surely you can forgive him for being a bit confused…
I wasn’t being negative about his post at all, probably a genuine question. I was probably being negative about your first post:dev2: as you must have missed the small comment to suggest it was a 747.:diablo:
By: Clanwilliam - 19th April 2007 at 15:27
It was the 747 Hong Kong Oasis!
Thank you James (& others).
It was definitely the 747 Oasis. It had tips of wings raised (?flaps). It was difficult to see the windows which suggested a cargo plane, but can see now from pictures that they can appear like a thin streak or shadow running horizontally along body of plane. The oasis letters looked vaguely like windows but not clear as letters. The tail was distinctive.
So that’s a jumbo…
I forgot to mention we saw it at around lunchtime.
By: skypilot62 - 19th April 2007 at 09:55
It could be that they were just doing ILS/glideslope training and not actually landing on the runway, which would mean they would have no reason to have the landing gear down…the straight answer is I dont know for sure!
In terms of your other questions regarding the potential success of landing an aircraft without wheels, I am afraid I would not be able to help with those, sorry, but hope I have helped with the identifcation process…:D
To fly any profile accurately the aircraft must be fully configured, i.e. flaps and gear selected, otherwise annoying little thing’s like the GPWS starts shouting in your ear, gear warning horn etc., not to mention the safety aspect, so unlikely to be the 747 mentioned…..
Regarding wheels up landings – yes, possible and has been done on a fair few occassions and far less dramatic than you might think – assymetric gear is probably more risky IMHO
By: Newforest - 19th April 2007 at 07:29
Do bear in mind he saw it at a bay, so is not likely to be able to of got a wonderful view of it, especially without any binoculars.
And do also consider that it was his first post, so surely you can forgive him for being a bit confused…
Not negative, just stating the obvious conclusion made by people who know aviation. He didn’t need binoculars because he was close enough to read the registration!
By: cloud_9 - 19th April 2007 at 07:05
Come on guys, stop with the negative comments…
Do bear in mind he saw it at a bay, so is not likely to be able to of got a wonderful view of it, especially without any binoculars.
And do also consider that it was his first post, so surely you can forgive him for being a bit confused…
By: rdc1000 - 18th April 2007 at 15:41
Would have to disagree with both suggestions, the Islander obviously cannot be mistaken as having ‘no wheels’ and everybody, certainly everybody who would post on an aviation forum would know a ‘Jumbo’.:)
Or at least they wouldn’t refer to it as small!
By: Newforest - 18th April 2007 at 14:25
Would have to disagree with both suggestions, the Islander obviously cannot be mistaken as having ‘no wheels’ and everybody, certainly everybody who would post on an aviation forum would know a ‘Jumbo’.:)
By: cloud_9 - 18th April 2007 at 13:58
Hi there it was not this was it? http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=277686
Dont think it could be the Islander James because that is a fixed wing and does not have retractable wheels; as far as I am aware…
It looked like a small commercial or cargo plane, predominantly red and white (white body, red features). No sign of wheels showing. Close enough to read number (but didn’t record it).
My best guess would be that it was the 747-400 of OASiS Hong Kong Airlines as that fits the description that you mention…and as James has pointed out, B-LFB was doing touch ‘n’ go training at MSE last Sunday! It could be that they were just doing ILS/glideslope training and not actually landing on the runway, which would mean they would have no reason to have the landing gear down…the straight answer is I dont know for sure!
Here is a link to a pic of their livery, have a look to see if it is this or not?
In terms of your other questions regarding the potential success of landing an aircraft without wheels, I am afraid I would not be able to help with those, sorry, but hope I have helped with the identifcation process…:D
By: zoot horn rollo - 18th April 2007 at 12:44
In the old days Manaston was one of a very few number of aerodromes in the UK that had the capability to put down a complete covering of foam on the runway and various aircraft diverted there when they had undercarriage problems.
By: Manston Airport - 18th April 2007 at 12:39
Hi there it was not this was it? http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=277686
Which is based at Manston. If not How many engines did it have?
here the list off plane sthat where in that day as it was a event going on,
AN-2 HA-MKF
BIZ JET D-CTTT
DC-3 G-AMRA
DC-3 G-AMPY
747 B-LFB
Dc-10 5X-JOE DAS
DC-8 ZS-OSI AIN
Regards
James