By: kfadrat - 31st October 2005 at 14:10
yeah yeah, I’m a busy man and you know it, can’t spend my whole life on the board reading every single post and reply.
from memory it was Nitenyahoo who did the scandal last year but I could be wrong, will have to go back to the ACIG.org hot spots section and look for the link to provide to you, thanks for your kind patience.
By: DeepSpace - 30th October 2005 at 22:42
I’m still waiting my friend 😉
By: DeepSpace - 29th October 2005 at 22:51
and do I have to remind everyone about many statements by Israeli officials in the past years about whipping the Arabs off?
Show me one…
By: kfadrat - 29th October 2005 at 18:43
Yes. I haven’t heard any Israeli officials saying that the entire Arab world should be eradicated. Something like that would normally create more commotion.
not at all, it would not simply because a) it comes from an Israeli and they can say/do what ever they want because of the way they were treated by the Nazis in WWII :rolleyes: and b) the west seems to agree with those thoughts, see the post before yours.
latest scandal like this one happened last year, it got little media attention and we had a hot discussion about it on ACIG.org
By: F-18 Hamburger - 29th October 2005 at 14:45
there once was a time that you all were a bunch of semites under the rule of the mighty Mongols. perhaps the time is now that the entire semitic race be put under the control of mongoloids to preserve the piece. [/sarcasm]
By: kfadrat - 29th October 2005 at 14:28
But we’re talking about the President of Iran, not some radical Jews that achieve little other than raising Shin Bet’s attention.
and who do you think rules the Jewish socalled state???
radical Jews created Israel and they still rule it, did you think that just because Sharon and his alikes don’t wear a black hat and long beard they aren’t radical or extreemist???
and do I have to remind everyone about many statements by Israeli officials in the past years about whipping the Arabs off?
By: kfadrat - 29th October 2005 at 14:24
😎
Of course I’m an almighty Israeli that knows all, and I used my flying capability to be in the demonstrations in Tehran 😉
don’t you mean Damascus???? where people hit the streets to participate their right in refusing something???? why is it that when ever we actually participate our rights it’s only – in western minds – because we were allowed to??? why is it too hard for you guys to believe we actually have much more freedom than you think??? why is it that when ever I get a western guest here in Damascus he is shocked by the level of freedom and security we are living in???
finally why is it so hard for the west to understand that in these days; we Arabs and Moslims are just reacting to decades of injustice done to us by western governments???
Kfadrat, you and I live something like 250 kms from eachother. I respect you, and I know that you as a intelligent person can be very logical and aware of the worldwide politics.
respect is mutual, after all we are both civilized humanbeings and we have to respect each other, regardless of any political or religious differences.
But then again – I see you as a Syrian citizen, one among thousands, shouting age old slogans such as “Death to America, death to Israel”,
never did that, actually more like America and Israeli give us our god damned rights back.
and some of you are burning the Israeli and American flags.
never did that either, it’s a waste of money 😉 .
The media catches the most extreme of you – but all in all I think it’s known to you as well – these demonstrations are led, organized and supported, both financially and ideologically, by the Assad regime.
not this time I’m afraid and here you do it again, sterotypes rule in Israel and the west I’m afraid, you have an image in your mind and you completely refuse to change it.
Regarding to Syria – I just hope that your president won’t bring even more troubles to your country.
he hasn’t till this moment.
Harriri wasn’t killed by Allah for being an infadel.
well we have to ask the mosad about that don’t we???
it sure wasn’t for Allah’s sake niether for Yahoo’s, that’s for sure.
By: PilotDKH - 29th October 2005 at 12:57
Well buffpuff, given the setting of his speach, it’s hardly surprising.He made the comments at a conference called “The world without zionism”.
Iranian leaders have long made such comments.Opposing Israel & America are part of the principles of the Islamic Republic.
The audience were already of an opinion &, like any popularity-chasing politician; he gave them what they wanted to hear.
By: F-18 Hamburger - 29th October 2005 at 00:05
I will have to disagree with you Erez. Iran has more freedom of political speech than many westerners think. Like the US, Iran is sharply divided into two political camps whose supporters constantly protest against each other. There are many who protest against their new president and his speeches.. and at the same time, there are many who embrace his conservative views and anti-Israeli nature.
By: BuffPuff - 28th October 2005 at 23:46
[QUOTE]He used to buy hot dogs in the street from an Iranian man
So a Jew buys a pork product (hot dog) from a Muslim….mmmm:-)
Seriously, I agree most Iranians do not want to pick a fight with anyone in particular. The Iranian president should realise that all his words are doing is uniting various parts of the world against Iran.
By: Erez - 28th October 2005 at 23:09
and you know that because you were there with us or because you are an allmighty Israeli who knows everything???
Israeli rabbis launch Arabs must be whipped of the map statements EVERY DAY but you don’t see any hypocrite around the world condemning them.
Of course I’m an almighty Israeli that knows all, and I used my flying capability to be in the demonstrations in Tehran 😉
I look at Iran and see beyond the major politicians. I believe the Iranians are mostly a peaceful people, that wants to earn its bread and live in dignity. They know, and I’ve been in contact with such people, that the “Big Satan” isn’t all that bad, and the “Small Satan” isn’t too bad either.
The common Iranian citizen doesn’t hate Jews because they are Jews, and even don’t hate Israelis. I know an Israeli that lived in NYC for a while. He used to buy hot dogs in the street from an Iranian man, and with time they even became friends. This Iranian used to bless him with “Shabbat Shalom”, and this little humane story just comes to show that under the big mouth of the Iranian leaders (and Jewish extremists and extremists in general), there is a normal nation that wants a normal life. The poors of Tehran and the poors of Tel Aviv don’t care about nuclear weapons. And the rich ones? Oh, they’re having joint vacations in Turkey 😀
Kfadrat, you and I live something like 250 kms from eachother. I respect you, and I know that you as a intelligent person can be very logical and aware of the worldwide politics. But then again – I see you as a Syrian citizen, one among thousands, shouting age old slogans such as “Death to America, death to Israel”, and some of you are burning the Israeli and American flags. The media catches the most extreme of you – but all in all I think it’s known to you as well – these demonstrations are led, organized and supported, both financially and ideologically, by the Assad regime.
Regarding to Syria – I just hope that your president won’t bring even more troubles to your country. Harriri wasn’t killed by Allah for being an infadel.
By: kfadrat - 28th October 2005 at 19:22
Burger, these demonstrations, like the recent demonstrations in Syria, are organized by the regime. Nothing spontaneous, and it definately doesn’t reflect the opinion of the Iranian people.
and you know that because you were there with us or because you are an allmighty Israeli who knows everything???
Israeli rabbis launch Arabs must be whipped of the map statements EVERY DAY but you don’t see any hypocrite around the world condemning them.
By: Erez - 28th October 2005 at 17:38
looks like it’s pretty popular too
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/28/iran.reaction/index.html
Thousands of Iranians stage anti-Israel demonstrations
Iran moves to ease reaction to anti-Israel remarksFriday, October 28, 2005; Posted: 9:23 a.m. EDT (13:23 GMT)
(CNN) — Thousands of Iranians staged anti-Israel protests across the country Friday and repeated calls by their ultraconservative president demanding the Jewish state’s destruction.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — marching with the protesters — signaled he stood by his remarks, even as Iranian officials tried to defuse the issue.
“My word is the same as that of (the) Iranian nation,” he told the official IRNA news agency.
“They are free to say but their words lack any credit,” he said, when asked about global reaction to his comments.
During a meeting with protesting students at Iran’s Interior Ministry on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini — founder of Iran’s Islamic revolution — that Israel “must be wiped out from the map of the world.”
But on Friday, Iran’s Moscow embassy — often used by Tehran to issue statements on foreign policy –said Ahmadinejad did not mean to “speak up in such sharp terms.”
The embassy said Ahmadinejad “did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict.”
“It’s absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr. Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories,” Reuters quoted the embassy statement as saying.
Ahmadinejad’s comments drew swift and harsh reaction from governments in Europe and North America, as well as from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, in remarks issued Thursday by the Israeli government press office, said he believed any country that calls for the destruction of another cannot be a member of the United Nations.
Meanwhile, a day after the global condemnation, thousands of Iranians rallied in Tehran and other cities as part of al-Quds — Jerusalem — Day protests,Demonstrators held banners with anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans.
One banner read “Death to Israel, death to America,” The Associated Press reported.
The state-organized rallies were first held in 1979 after Shiite Muslim clerics took power in Iran.
One of the strongest reactions to Ahmadinejad’s remarks came from British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who said they were “completely and totally unacceptable.”
“I felt a real sense of revulsion at those remarks,” said Blair, who spoke Thursday at a press briefing after a European Union summit near London.
“There has been a long time in which I’ve been answering questions on Iran with everyone saying to me ‘tell us you’re not going to do anything about Iran,'” he said.
“If they carry on like this, the question people are going to be asking us is, ‘When are you going to do something about this,’ because you imagine a state like that with an attitude like that having a nuclear weapon.”
Also Thursday, Annan expressed “dismay” over the Iranian president’s comments urging the destruction of Israel.
In a statement, Annan reminded “all member states that Israel is a long-standing member of the United Nations with the same rights and obligations as every other member.”
“Under the United Nations Charter, all members have undertaken to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state,” the statement said.
In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Ahmadinejad’s views “underscores our concern and the international community’s concerns about Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons.”
Ottawa also issued a strong rebuke, with Canadian Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew saying: “We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance. These comments are all the more troubling given that we know of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.”
Across Europe, the reaction was equally strong. (Full story)
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said Thursday he condemned the Iranian statement “absolutely.”
“It is a completely unacceptable statement, of course. We should respect borders and respect the integrity of Israel, and we want Israel to live in peace with its neighbors,” he told BBC radio.
Asked whether he believed that Iran should be expelled from the U.N., Barroso said: “I condemn absolutely that statement, but I will not make any concrete proposal now.”
Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published,
Burger, these demonstrations, like the recent demonstrations in Syria, are organized by the regime. Nothing spontaneous, and it definately doesn’t reflect the opinion of the Iranian people.
The picture from Iran is confusing – on one hand we have Ahmadinejad’s statement and the fact that he’s still backing it, and from the other hand we have all those Iranian foreign policy people that feel somewhat embarrassed in front of the international community.
I find the explaination of the Iranian embassy in Russia completely unacceptable – what does the soon to happen free elections in the PA has to do with Ahmadinejad’s statement that Israel should be wiped off the map?
However, this is how politics work. The governments of the world, at least in part, will probably rather adopt these bizarre explainations and will eventually calm things down. I doubt that the UN or the US will do much. The US is deep in the Iraqi mud, and a UN coalition not led by the US – well, I don’t have much faith in that.
The last word in this story will be of the Ayatollahs.
By: F-18 Hamburger - 28th October 2005 at 15:22
looks like it’s pretty popular too
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/28/iran.reaction/index.html
Thousands of Iranians stage anti-Israel demonstrations
Iran moves to ease reaction to anti-Israel remarks
Friday, October 28, 2005; Posted: 9:23 a.m. EDT (13:23 GMT)
(CNN) — Thousands of Iranians staged anti-Israel protests across the country Friday and repeated calls by their ultraconservative president demanding the Jewish state’s destruction.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — marching with the protesters — signaled he stood by his remarks, even as Iranian officials tried to defuse the issue.
“My word is the same as that of (the) Iranian nation,” he told the official IRNA news agency.
“They are free to say but their words lack any credit,” he said, when asked about global reaction to his comments.
During a meeting with protesting students at Iran’s Interior Ministry on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Ayatollah Khomeini — founder of Iran’s Islamic revolution — that Israel “must be wiped out from the map of the world.”
But on Friday, Iran’s Moscow embassy — often used by Tehran to issue statements on foreign policy –said Ahmadinejad did not mean to “speak up in such sharp terms.”
The embassy said Ahmadinejad “did not have any intention to speak up in such sharp terms and enter into a conflict.”
“It’s absolutely clear that, in his remarks, Mr. Ahmadinejad, president of the Islamic Republic of Iran, underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories,” Reuters quoted the embassy statement as saying.
Ahmadinejad’s comments drew swift and harsh reaction from governments in Europe and North America, as well as from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, in remarks issued Thursday by the Israeli government press office, said he believed any country that calls for the destruction of another cannot be a member of the United Nations.
Meanwhile, a day after the global condemnation, thousands of Iranians rallied in Tehran and other cities as part of al-Quds — Jerusalem — Day protests,Demonstrators held banners with anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans.
One banner read “Death to Israel, death to America,” The Associated Press reported.
The state-organized rallies were first held in 1979 after Shiite Muslim clerics took power in Iran.
One of the strongest reactions to Ahmadinejad’s remarks came from British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who said they were “completely and totally unacceptable.”
“I felt a real sense of revulsion at those remarks,” said Blair, who spoke Thursday at a press briefing after a European Union summit near London.
“There has been a long time in which I’ve been answering questions on Iran with everyone saying to me ‘tell us you’re not going to do anything about Iran,'” he said.
“If they carry on like this, the question people are going to be asking us is, ‘When are you going to do something about this,’ because you imagine a state like that with an attitude like that having a nuclear weapon.”
Also Thursday, Annan expressed “dismay” over the Iranian president’s comments urging the destruction of Israel.
In a statement, Annan reminded “all member states that Israel is a long-standing member of the United Nations with the same rights and obligations as every other member.”
“Under the United Nations Charter, all members have undertaken to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state,” the statement said.
In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Ahmadinejad’s views “underscores our concern and the international community’s concerns about Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons.”
Ottawa also issued a strong rebuke, with Canadian Foreign Minister Pierre Pettigrew saying: “We cannot tolerate comments of such hatred, such anti-Semitism, such intolerance. These comments are all the more troubling given that we know of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.”
Across Europe, the reaction was equally strong. (Full story)
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said Thursday he condemned the Iranian statement “absolutely.”
“It is a completely unacceptable statement, of course. We should respect borders and respect the integrity of Israel, and we want Israel to live in peace with its neighbors,” he told BBC radio.
Asked whether he believed that Iran should be expelled from the U.N., Barroso said: “I condemn absolutely that statement, but I will not make any concrete proposal now.”
Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published,
By: pluto77189 - 28th October 2005 at 15:00
Really, he’s asking to go to war, ruining any hope of Iraq becoming
a democracy. If Isreal is at war with Iran (shiites), and friends with
the US, the Shiites in Iraq may become agitated, to say the least.
Which is why we will in all honesty, probably be better off just
nuking Iran into non-existance right now…
This is actually a dumber, crazer thing to say than anything Kim
jong il has said recently. Iran is saying they’re building nukes.
They have a right to buld nukes. Then, they say Isreal must be
wiped off the map, and muslim nations that don’t side with them
will burn (esentially, nuked by Iran).
In effect, they’re saying that they want nukes to nuke Isreal and
any surronding nations that don’t support them in nuking isreal…
oh, yeah, and “Death to America”…they’ve been saying that too…
Do they not remember that this is the same Isreal that used their
shiny new F-16’s to destroy Saddam’s nuclear reactor? Now, the
whole world is thinking (but not saying it out loud ) “thank GOD
that the Israelis did that then, so Saddam didn’t have nukes!”
I bet there’s a good chance history will repeat itself.
Somone’s going to attack Iran, and we’ll be thankful in 20 years…
By: F-18 Hamburger - 28th October 2005 at 13:56
The Iranian leader’s remarks that Israel should be wiped out, made it to page 7 of our local paper today.
I guess in Iran’s case. The Iranian President does NOT have the power to declare war (It’s the Supreme Leader’s power). Other than inciting rhetoric and what not, it’s really up to the Ayatollah’s to push the war button.
By: J Boyle - 28th October 2005 at 02:41
Which the US would veto and Israel would ignore.
With such statements coming out of “civilized” UN member nations, you can see why Israel would ignore any policies that it thinks would endanger its security.
I think too many people in Europe and the US don’t appreciate the fear Israel feels.
I don’t think it has mandatory military service (Anyone remember that? Few of us are old enough to…) or spend that much money of defense because they necessarily want to.
Stupid, hateful, and racist statements like those from Iran (and from a political leader who should really know better…not just some religious fanatic) aren’t going to help anyone…Jew or Muslim.
By: F-18 Hamburger - 28th October 2005 at 01:18
how bout we just wipe off the entire middle east and take their oil and the rest of the world will be much happier w/o a Mecca Jerusalem.
By: SOC - 28th October 2005 at 00:33
Which the US would veto and Israel would ignore.
Beat me to it!
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th October 2005 at 00:27
It would be on the front page everywhere and the U.N. would pass another anti-Israeli resolution.
Which the US would veto and Israel would ignore.
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