World of Lürssen

hi Mconrad, there are few info and photo about FPB-57 here…
it seems nav III= early nav IV
http://www.cvl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kazmi/KRI.html

Originally Posted by Ja Worsley
I happen to love these ships but getting pics of them is about as hard as getting pics of the Ecuadorian Esmeraldes class FFL’s

Here are some pics for Ecuadorian Esmeraldes class corvettes.
and another thing it is good to change the name of the thread to World of FBP ?

Hi, you are right and im wrong about the Andau, Mandau is name of other ship class…. sorry….
and thx for the pics…

Hi rsetiawan,

“thx for the pic of fpb57 of my nation (Indonesia)…”

my pleasure. Perhaps I´ll tackle the Parachim next:-))

“we have 5 type of FPB-57. (called nav-I to nav-V)”

Yeah, I know. But there is hardly any visual differences between the nav-IV Pandrong and the nav-V Tadak so I decided to only draw the later. Do you have any information and pics on the nav-III? Can´t find them anywhere.

“Andau class should be Mandau class…

Ups, sorry. Most mayor reference sites list it as Andau. I´ll change it as soon as possible. See this link for the top view of the nav-I:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/IndPBFPB57I_KAKAP0.jpg

“the SAR (?) variant”

Why the question mark? That´s what its original purpose was supposed to be, right?

Regards.

Hi again,

Thanks for the pictures.

Here is first part of the next round: the FPB 57 as build for/in Indonesia and the Nigerian version that is reportedly back in operations.

Hope you like them. On a site note I think it is quiet funny that the SAR version of the Indonesian FPB 57 has the camouflage pattern which the military (ASW and gun only) versions don´t have. BTW does somebody know why Nigeria bought 3 almost equally armed and equipped Combatante III and FPB 57 each at nearly the same time? Wouldn´t it make more sense in building 6 unites of just one class?
Regards.

Hi conrad, thx for the pic of fpb57 of my nation (Indonesia)…
we have 5 type of FPB-57. (called nav-I to nav-V). Soon when we acquire brahmos or other heavy ASM then we may have nav VI 😉
btw do you have top view projection of Indonesia FPB-57 ?
thx in advance
alil nitpick : Andau class should be Mandau class… Mandau is traditional borneo short sabre

ps : the SAR (?) variant is camoed because our navy love the camo, and whatever ship in TNI-AL, as long as it have gun, will be used to pursue pirates/illegal fisher/smugler so camo still useful for them….

MConrads: Mate on the back of the Todak and Commandant al Khattabi classes, are those Emerlec 30’s?

I’m interested in this gun system if anyone can supply any cutouts and/or pics, basically it’s the last Manned Gun Turret system in the world, thanks to the lovely innovations of computerisation and mechanics, they have all been faded out- but this system still uses the “Man in the Loop” method should primaries go off line.

Look for pictures of Hellenic Navy’s Combatantte III /IIIa class fast attack boats Ja…You will find plenty of Emerlecs there.The new Super Vita class also has two single,manned, a/a guns on each ship (they are not emerlecs though,I think) 😀

Any reason why only one unite was build? Or does that have to do with the embargo as well?

The arms embargo which was imposed immediately after the second Cyprus operation in August 1974 until late 70’s has its effects on all Turkish procurement projects in that period. The outfit of Girne was affected as well. But there are also other reasons. For example Navy focused all its energy to the procurement of Dogan class FAC’s. In addition, the overall performance of Girne never proved satisfactory.

The only one with the Emerlec 30 depicted here is the Nigerian Ekpe class. That one is also missing on your list orko_8.

Thanks for the heads up, I have updated my database.

Hi,

thanks orko_8 for the information and picture of the Girne. Any reason why only one unite was build? Or does that have to do with the embargo as well?

No, Ja WorsleyMate on the back of the Todak and Commandant al Khattabi classes those are not Emerlec 30’s? Those are 40mm guns, probably Bofors with a Mauser cupola.

The only one with the Emerlec 30 depicted here is the Nigerian Ekpe class. That one is also missing on your list orko_8.

Regards.

Dear Ja Worsley,

According to my data, these are the ships that have Emerlec turrets:

South Korea: Ulsan class FFG, Dong Hae, Po Hang and Pae Ku class patrol boats, AOE-57 Chun Jee replenishment ship
Qatar: Damsah class (Combattante III)
Kuwait: Um Almaradim class (Combattante I)
Nigeria: Ayam class (Combattante IIIB)
Tunisia: La Galite class (Combattante III)
Greece: Laskos class (Combattante III)

Ulsan class have 4; Pae Ku class have 1 turret, while all others have 2.

I think you have already seen this page but just to make the post complete: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_30mm_Emerlec.htm

Edit: Attached are the photos I took of Chun Jee during her visit to Istanbul, July 2005 showing Emerlec turrets.

MConrads: Mate on the back of the Todak and Commandant al Khattabi classes, are those Emerlec 30’s?

I’m interested in this gun system if anyone can supply any cutouts and/or pics, basically it’s the last Manned Gun Turret system in the world, thanks to the lovely innovations of computerisation and mechanics, they have all been faded out- but this system still uses the “Man in the Loop” method should primaries go off line.

Hello MConrads,

Excellent work as always.

Turkey also operates a single ship of the Spanish design. However since I don´t have any detailed knowledge of this unit I was unable to depicted

The boat you mention is TCG P-140 Girne. It was laid down at Taskizak Naval Shipyard in 1973, launched in 1976 and commissioned on 07.06.1977. She was recently decommissioned.

The reason for the delay of the launching of the ship is the arms embargo imposed on Turkey after 1974 Cyprus operation. Girne was equipped with COTS machinery and GFE weapon and sensor systems cannibalized from other ships.

Girne was assigned to mainly ASW patrol duties. Performance was rather poor.

Specs:

Displacement: 399 ton
Dimensions: 58,1 x 7,6 x 2,8m
Speed: 29,5kt
Range: 4,200nm (with 16kt)
Armament: 2 x 40mm/70 Bofors; 2 x 12.7mm; 4 x Mk20 Mousetrap; 2 x Mk6 ASW mortar, 2 x DC rails + 18 x DC
Sonar: Plessey PMS 26

Hi,

thanks tiddles. Ok, final round I think for the FPB 57 class. First one is the Spanish build and German designed version. Note that the triple torpedo tubes and the depth charges were never carried since they were mainly used for fishery protection and light patrol duties. They were however designed to perform coastal ASW in times of war.

Next is the Moroccan version, 4 unites were build by Bazan in Spain. Morocco also acquired 6 unites of a gun only patrol version later which was just to boring to draw, sorry.

Turkey also operates a single ship of the Spanish design. However since I don´t have any detailed knowledge of this unit I was unable to depicted. As compensation here are the Dogan and the Yildiz classes, both of German design again.

Hope you enjoyed them as much as I did drawing them. Don´t know yet wether I should venture into the even smaller TNC 45 and FPB 44 classes since it is getting harder to see any details at this scale anyway. Suggestions, wishes anybody?

Regards.

Well Done

Hi Mconrads – I keep coming back to this thread for a look regularly, we can often see pics. of the usual suspects, but not the different classes you often portray they are hard to find for mugs like me. Keep up the good work.

Hi,

as promised here are a few more: the German S143 Albatross and S143A Gepard classes. Six unites of the former class were recently sold to Tunisia which will operate them without the MM-38 (though the launch canisters are still present).

Next one is the Kuwaiti version, two of which were build to serve as squadron leaders for the six TNC 45 class FACs. Only one of each class survived the 1991 Gulf War though.

Last one for today is the Ghana gun only patrol boat, two of which were build. Thanks to Steffen for pointing that one out to me since I didn´t know it.

Next up will be the remaining boats. I also have to say that I only now realized that the Turkish Dogan and Yildiz classes were of the FPB 57 design as well. I always thought they were of the smaller TNC 45 class. Doesn´t TNC stand for Turkish Navy Combatant? Well obvious not but what does it stand for?

Regrads.

Hi,

I think this one is pretty good:

http://www.schnellboot.net/laender2.html

Cool, many thanks!

King Jester

Hi,

thanks for the nice words. Glad you enjoy them. Don´t know any page for ALL the FACs but I think this one is pretty good:

http://www.schnellboot.net/laender2.html

Especially for the German boats (since it is a German site:-)

Regards

Nice work mconrads, keep it up!

BTW, would you happen to know a comprehensive online source for profiles of ALL FAC classes? (i.e. Combattate, SAAR, Swift, italian Sparvieros, Vosper, also OSA types and so forth).

I´ve alwasy tinkered around with the idea of putting together a web site jsut for FAC´s (pretty much my pet-vessels), but haven´t come around timewise.

King Jester

Wan, thanks for the pics mate, though obvuiously one was not as advertised 😉
also it’s clear that you heisted one off the Lurssen site (I know as I have done the same with the same dark patch in the pic).

MConrads, great work mate, keep it up

Keep them coming MConrads, love them 🙂

I check regularly for updates to your work.

Thanks for the enjoyment they bring.

Unicorn

Hi again,

Thanks for the pictures.

Here is first part of the next round: the FPB 57 as build for/in Indonesia and the Nigerian version that is reportedly back in operations.

Hope you like them. On a site note I think it is quiet funny that the SAR version of the Indonesian FPB 57 has the camouflage pattern which the military (ASW and gun only) versions don´t have. BTW does somebody know why Nigeria bought 3 almost equally armed and equipped Combatante III and FPB 57 each at nearly the same time? Wouldn´t it make more sense in building 6 unites of just one class?

Next up will be the remaining FPB 57s build for Spain, Morocco, Germany and Kuwait.

Regards.