World-Wide Aircraft Carriers

I’m anxious for them to cut first steel so I can put them up on my www.worldwideaicraftcarriers.com site. They will make an important addition there.

With the addition of the T-45 Destroyers. The Royal Navy will be able to project power from the Sea like no one else except the USN. 😀

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I agree………..seems like the CVF’s are larger and more complex than other STOVL Carriers. Yet, they will have the room to be upgraded later………. 😎

I’m anxious for them to cut first steel so I can put them up on my www.worldwideaicraftcarriers.com site. They will make an important addition there.

Agreed. IMHO, if they are going to build that large a carrier…they should make it a full deck, CTOL carrier.

I agree………..seems like the CVF’s are larger and more complex than other STOVL Carriers. Yet, they will have the room to be upgraded later………. 😎

We’re not disagreeing on that point 😉 It’s just my disappointment with the STOVL option speaking, I suppose.

Agreed. IMHO, if they are going to build that large a carrier…they should make it a full deck, CTOL carrier.

I would prefer catapults and arrestor gear on the CVF’s. So, she could operate F-35C’s and E-2C’s. Yet, more than like she will not and will operate F-35B’s and AEW Osprey……….. :rolleyes:

Well, if the CVF’s aren’t equipped with arrestor cables. Really, its either the Osprey or a Helicopter based Systems. 😮

But on a STOVL carrier, the E2C is not available as an option and the Osprey, if developed into an AEW platform, would be a MUCH better solution than the helicopter solutions they now have.,

We’re not disagreeing on that point 😉 It’s just my disappointment with the STOVL option speaking, I suppose.

I think a AEW based Osprey would be a good choice for the RN. Thought in my opinion a CVF equipped with assertor gear flying E2C’s would be better……….. :rolleyes:

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Sorry for the grammer…………….I meant arrestor gear? 😮

But on a STOVL carrier, the E2C is not available as an option and the Osprey, if developed into an AEW platform, would be a MUCH better solution than the helicopter solutions they now have.,

I think a AEW based Osprey would be a good choice for the RN. Thought in my opinion a CVF equipped with assertor gear flying E2C’s would be better……….. :rolleyes:

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There is still significant question regarding the Varyag (see its page on the worldwideaircraftcarriers.com site). If they do complete it (or build another) they will be many, many years away from developing true proficiency at it against a foe like the US. Against other navies in the region with no carriers, they would be more formidable very quickly.

Also, it would tie up alot of resources and would be a big target.

Off topic a bit…but….is China about to come out with a super carrier? If so……how long would it take them to train the crew up to an efficient level?

There is still significant question regarding the Varyag (see its page on the worldwideaircraftcarriers.com site). If they do complete it (or build another) they will be many, many years away from developing true proficiency at it against a foe like the US. Against other navies in the region with no carriers, they would be more formidable very quickly.

The disadvantage of the Osprey is that it would be very expensive to develop (compared to an off-the-shelf E-2C). It would nullify a lot of the savings that were obtained by going STOVL and sacrifice performance aswell.

But on a STOVL carrier, the E2C is not available as an option and the Osprey, if developed into an AEW platform, would be a MUCH better solution than the helicopter solutions they now have.,

Off topic a bit…but….is China about to come out with a super carrier? If so……how long would it take them to train the crew up to an efficient level?

The disadvantage of the Osprey is that it would be very expensive to develop (compared to an off-the-shelf E-2C). It would nullify a lot of the savings that were obtained by going STOVL and sacrifice performance aswell.

Well, if the CVF’s aren’t equipped with arrestor cables. Really, its either the Osprey or a Helicopter based Systems. 😮

The disadvantage of the Osprey is that it would be very expensive to develop (compared to an off-the-shelf E-2C). It would nullify a lot of the savings that were obtained by going STOVL and sacrifice performance aswell.

I still believe an AEW version of the Osprey would be a good use of that aircraft…as would an ASW version. Both would be prefectly suited for the many sea control STOVL carriers being built.

Well, if the CVF’s have no Cat’s or Arrestor Gear! Really, a AEW based Osprey maybe its only viable option? :rolleyes:

Unfortunately no, they will be STOVL atleast initially. The design is supposed to have space reserved for catapults and arrestor gear though, IIRC. Pretty lame compromise if you ask me, it certainly complicates the selection of the AEW platform 🙁 It is looking like the displacement is going to comfortably exceed 50000 tons however (up to 60000), so they will atleast be very decent in size.

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I thought the CVF’s were going to have arrestor gear but no catapults. (i.e. Ski Ramps)

Pretty lame compromise if you ask me, it certainly complicates the selection of the AEW platform.

I still believe an AEW version of the Osprey would be a good use of that aircraft…as would an ASW version. Both would be prefectly suited for the many sea control STOVL carriers being built.

My point was more to the point that both the CVF’s and LHX(R) would be of similar size and weight. Also, both would operate JSF’s and Helo’s. :rolleyes:

Two of the big differences will be this.

1) As I understand it, the UKs CVFs will be conventional carriers with catapaults and arrestor systems. The new Wasp follow-on in the US will be strictly a STOVL carrier as far as fixed wing aircraft are concerned…no assisted launch and no arrestors system.

Unfortunately no, they will be STOVL atleast initially. The design is supposed to have space reserved for catapults and arrestor gear though, IIRC. Pretty lame compromise if you ask me, it certainly complicates the selection of the AEW platform 🙁 It is looking like the displacement is going to comfortably exceed 50000 tons however (up to 60000), so they will atleast be very decent in size.

2)The Wasp follow-on is also an amphibious assault ship with provisions for 2,000 marines and their equipment…the UK carriers, as I understand it, will be strictly aircraft carriers, not meant to perform in the assault role landing marines on distant shores…rathet to support them and to exert sea control.

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That 3D is interesting… especially the US Army Blackhawk (or maybe USAF) on the port side!

I know it is an Army UH-60 because: 1. You can see the tail wheel at the end of the tail boom, and the USN’s UH-60 Seahawks have the wheel much closer to the main fuselage; 2. the USMC has no UH-60s, and are buying 100 new UH-1Ys to replace their current UH-1N Hueys!

LOL. I would read too much into something like that chances are its just a case of they wanted an S-70 helo pic and thats something they had available to pop into the pic. Otherwise looking at the pics around of the new MH-60S KNIGHTHAWK – MULTI-MISSION NAVAL HELICOPTER variant shows the tail wheel in the same position as the Army models.

Daniel