Wreckage Identification

Yes Adam, that’s right. A Whitley did come down there.

Nayland Rock, i believe there may be a Whitley Bomber wreck in the area.

It’s British. Can you elaborate where in Margate it was found? This might help….

That straight edge, looks like it may be an opening.
In this image you see that large rectangular hole (lower left) about were the O2 bottles are.
(also ju88.net)
If the bottles are perpendicular to that straight edge, it is pointing to Ju88

Great job on cleaning!

Looks like outer skin on that.

Here is from Ju-88 in Norway.

Here’s a section from a wartime Ju88 recognition poster. The bottles a horizontal and close together, not exactly conclusive but worth checking further

Much clearer dataplate now. It says:
– Baumuster (‘type’)
– Werk Nr. (‘serial number’)
– Anf. Z. (Anforderzeichnung, ‘Drawing reference’)

The Fl.-number specifically refers to the type of device you have. I think it reads Fl.27116? This fits in with a series of oxygen-related Fl.-numbers, but I am sure there’ll be an expert along shortly who can tell what it is, and what it was fitted to.

Bottle says:
Sauerstoff
Leer XXX KG, Füll XXX
(‘Oxygen’
Empty XXX Kg, Full XXX’)

Two lines below the ‘SAU’ of Sauerstoff there is usually a 5-digit Fl.number for the bottle. This again would help narrowing it down to a specific type.

The whole piece measures approximately 24″ wide by 20″ High, each of the bottles are approximately 15.5″ High.

Flying Pencil PM sent
Aeronut

This is 17M/P version, but may be similar to 17z
(17M was used in BoB on limited basis)

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Other cutaways can be found here (about Spanish CW 17’s)

A local historian i know passed the info onto me. The crew of 3495 are burried in the local cemetery.

AlphaCharlie, can you post more images of the device on top of the cylinders?
Does it looked attached, or a separate item?

A wartime Farnborough report on the Do17 described the oxygen system as being supplied from 5 bottles located in the rear fuselage.

Where can I find these reports?

Dornier Do 17, 3495 U5+DM crashed into the sea at 20:40 hours on 9 November 1940, of unknown causes, off the coast of Kingsdown close to where the wreckage was recovered. Hopefully I can find a date on one of the bottles.

Where did this info come from?

It was posted in Wiki some 14 to 20 Do-17’s crashed along the east coast, and every chance Cosford misidentified what they have.

If either you or the finder has not done so, I would strongly recommend you report this to the Receiver of Wreck.

And whilst the find isn’t on the same scale as this chap’s actions, this is the kind of result. Diver jailed for failing to declare finds.

Dornier Do 17, 3495 U5+DM crashed into the sea at 20:40 hours on 9 November 1940, of unknown causes, off the coast of Kingsdown close to where the wreckage was recovered. Hopefully I can find a date on one of the bottles.

Perhaps they still have pressure in them!Be careful!

Sounds as though you need to ring Cosford and ask if they are short!

Adrian

A wartime Farnborough report on the Do17 described the oxygen system as being supplied from 5 bottles located in the rear fuselage.

Thanks for the reply. it was found at 51’10.50n 001’31.50e (Southern edge of the Goodwin sands), the fishing boat was heading North when it was discovered.

I will try to clean around the cylinders tomorrow, any tips for cleaning and preserving it?

I will also find out the exact location it was recovered.

ADVICE!
NO METAL BUSH! No brush at all for now!
First off give it a good soaking with fresh water, GENTLY, clean off as much of ocean salt as you can.
The put it in a bucket and fill with more fresh water, to get as much salt off as you can.
Do this for a couple of days, changing the water twice a day.

Need to get as much salt off as possible.

I also suggest you talk to RAFM about their weak citric acid cleaning to get the marine deposits off. (I can email them).

I’m not sure what Luftwaffe aircraft had 5 bottles in a single rack like that. These bottles weren’t 1 per man, I believe some Bf-109s had 2 bottles in each wing for a total of 4, although I’m not sure if they were the same size as yours. What is the approximate size of your bottle? It’s probably from at least a 2 man crew (Ju-87, Bf-110?) or larger, and it’s possible that this rack of 5 (and possibly more) was in one wing and an equal amount were in the other wing or elsewhere in the aircraft. As Ian said, start with the manufacture and date codes around the neck of the bottles and go from there.

Here is a link to one of the cleanest sauerstofflasche I’ve seen, manufactured in 1940 and with legible codes you can use for comparison.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-Luftwaffe-Sauerstofflasche-Oxygen-Bottle-Ju87-Do17-He111-etc-/390870409781?hash=item5b01b12235

Could it be from a Dornier DO17 like the one recovered nearby on the edge of the Goodwin Sands?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/zxfkhzia5k4hi2vnffbe.jpg

I agree with the above possibilities.
It is far more likely the bomber than 109, 110, Stuka, or like. Could even be later Do-217 or He-177

If you clean around the domed tops of the bottles there will be manufacture dates. It would help with id. Luftwaffe oxy bottles changed design mid to late war, from cylindrical to balls! A very nice gift!

CAREFUL, see above, go with this gently, it is very easy to damage it worse than it is.
Take your time, its been there 75 or so years, can wait a little more.

I’m not sure what Luftwaffe aircraft had 5 bottles in a single rack like that. These bottles weren’t 1 per man, I believe some Bf-109s had 2 bottles in each wing for a total of 4, although I’m not sure if they were the same size as yours. What is the approximate size of your bottle? It’s probably from at least a 2 man crew (Ju-87, Bf-110?) or larger, and it’s possible that this rack of 5 (and possibly more) was in one wing and an equal amount were in the other wing or elsewhere in the aircraft. As Ian said, start with the manufacture and date codes around the neck of the bottles and go from there.

Here is a link to one of the cleanest sauerstofflasche I’ve seen, manufactured in 1940 and with legible codes you can use for comparison.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-Luftwaffe-Sauerstofflasche-Oxygen-Bottle-Ju87-Do17-He111-etc-/390870409781?hash=item5b01b12235