XH558 future fund raising ideas.

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The CAA won’t allow paid passenger flights because the Vulcan will be (eventually) operated on a Permit to Fly. And you can’t fly in it in a display either (I doubt that Dr Robert would want hordes of anoraks asking…..), for the same reason that the B-17 et al doesnt carry pax during displays.

PS Is this the same ‘Dr Robert’ who fronted the Blow Monkeys in the 80s???

PPS Anyone up for getting Concorde airworthy again? (just for a few displays mind….)

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I am sure they still fly helicopters and light aircraft carrying fare paying passengers on “air experience” flights at airshows.

What difference is there here? Is it simply that these aircraft don’t perform aerobatics, or don’t fly over the display area?

Or am I out of date, and the CAA have stopped AE flights during airshows?

Is it simply the timing? i.e. Not while the display is taking place.

Nobody ‘gets round’ the CAA.

I wasn’t suggesting anything illegal, rather I’m a believer in the theory for every measure constructed by a lawyer or bureaucrat, there’s a counter-measure designed by another lawyer or bureaucrat.

Of course you can’t “sell” a ride in the Vulcan but I’d think that project members could go up on some legal pretext. The idea of buying a ride in a
B-17 is fairly new, but before that organizations like the CAF could let members fly in aircraft.
I can’t see the harm in letting people fly in the Vulcan on non-display flights..it’s not like they’ll be offering discount fares to Spain.

Then again, the CAA’s rules (no Lightnings or Shackeltons, please) make the FAA look “easy”.

CAUTION: RANT AHEAD...If the CAA is that much of an impediment to historic aviation, it’s probably time for UK citizens to take back their government (to use an old Ronald Reagan phrase). At the risk of sounding like too much like a conservative, the government should work for the people…not the other way around.

How about taking guests on a non-airshow (Positioning or maintenance)flight?

One possible way to get around the CAA would be to make him part of the “crew” or organization…someone who just happened to make a donation…in other words not clearly quid pro quo.

Nobody ‘gets round’ the CAA.

The stakes are too high. If the CAA take action against you and you lose, the costs which are invariably awarded against you, are crippling.

Moggy

how about a forum tax every time a post is made with xh558 in it you have to pay a fee she would never run out of money then!!!

the CAA may have something to say about carrying passengers at public events, which is not allowed.

How about taking guests on a non-airshow (Positioning or maintenance)flight?

One possible way to get around the CAA would be to make him part of the “crew” or organization…someone who just happened to make a donation…in other words not clearly quid pro quo.

I’m not suggesting anybody should flout existing regulations, far from it, but I do think the regulation is overzealous and could be reviewed.

I’d much rather live in a world where some minimal risk was assessed as acceptable if it was balanced against the enrichment of the lives of many thousands.

I quite agree! It is a sad country where our hobby and interests are ruined through a combination of The Home Office, Health & Safety and the CAA who have contrived to destroy what we all love and enjoy.

Anyone falling foul of this regulation risks having their display permit or even pilot’s licence revoked.

I’m not suggesting anybody should flout existing regulations, far from it, but I do think the regulation is overzealous and could be reviewed.

I’d much rather live in a world where some minimal risk was assessed as acceptable if it was balanced against the enrichment of the lives of many thousands.

As I said, it’ll never happen in the UK.

As for insurance, how is it possible to fly Lightnings and Buccaneers in South Africa commercially? Are they uninsured?.

I am sure they are specially insured, but remember that rules and regulations overseas are different from UK

And what exactly are the CAA protecting us from? Do they think an accident is more likely when carrying passengers or that the passengers will somehow contribute to more damage on the ground?

If they are worrying about the passengers, well thanks very much but it’s their life and not yours. I would have thought that overall air safety would be better served that by ensuring the safety (in the most heavy handed way) of the one or possibly two passengers the Vulcan could carry.

The CAA inposed this rule after Don Bullock crashed the Invader at Biggin Hill in October 1980, carrying 7 passengers. It protects the liability of the display pilot, ensures no one intereferes with the controls during a display and makes it safer for the public on the ground. Anyone falling foul of this regulation risks having their display permit or even pilot’s licence revoked.

As I said, it’ll never happen in the UK.

But my question is why not.

As for insurance, how is it possible to fly Lightnings and Buccaneers in South Africa commercially? Are they uninsured?

And what exactly are the CAA protecting us from? Do they think an accident is more likely when carrying passengers or that the passengers will somehow contribute to more damage on the ground?

If they are worrying about the passengers, well thanks very much but it’s their life and not yours. I would have thought that overall air safety would be better served that by ensuring the safety (in the most heavy handed way) of the one or possibly two passengers the Vulcan could carry.

Why not raffle (as opposed to auction) the empty seats when XH558 flies?

I know… blasphemy…but what realistically would be the harm.

The outlay by TVOC would be negligible, additional risk would be negligible, somebody would get the experience of a lifetime, huge publicity would be generated and it could be repeated for every time XH558 flew.

Of course it’ll never happen in the UK and we’ll all be the poorer for it.

Just two problems with that – insurance to fly in the Vulcan might be prohibitive, or if not then the CAA may have something to say about carrying passengers at public events, which is not allowed.

There is a some of money needed to operate the aircraft between June 17th and the end of July 2007. So please any good leads would be good, less than 20 weeks to go…..

Why not raffle (as opposed to auction) the empty seats when XH558 flies?

I know…blasphemy…but what realistically would be the harm.

The outlay by TVOC would be negligible, additional risk would be negligible, somebody would get the experience of a lifetime, huge publicity would be generated and it could be repeated for every time XH558 flew.

Of course it’ll never happen in the UK and we’ll all be the poorer for it.

By the sounds of it Moggy will need at least 6 inches…. :diablo:

HAR!! Bad boy, TT 😀

Question; How much do you need to raise?

Steve

By the sounds of it Moggy will need at least 6 inches…. :diablo:

To clarify the post a little for you, XH558 is an ongoing project that is proposed to last for the remaining life of the airframe and/or engines, estimate’s range from ten too perhaps fifteen years, so small fund raising ideas will pop up as time passes, the first of those mentioned is in progress and the second is a proposal currently being worked up along with others, from a number of suggestions put forward, it is hoped that these projects will help provide small amounts of additional funding for 558, No specific figure has been mentioned either here or on the website, only that ideas are welcome, as are donations large or small to the effort to keep 558 in the air, not a lot different really than any other preservation project as I see it. and worth a mention.

Question; How much do you need to raise?

Steve

As long as competition members are prepared to stump up for their own medical insurance, I am sure a ‘Night With a Model’ could be a sure fire winner. :diablo:

Can I suggest an auction of models might be a better idea?

I’ll open the bidding with £100 for a night with Eva Mendes.

Moggy