XL Fleet

Lasham is pretty Busy with XL aircraft at the moment

Here is a link to An Airliners.net image showing an aerial View of Lasham!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/1401322/L/&width=1200&height=812&sok=&sort=&photo_nr=&prev_id=&next_id=

This is one way that rumours can start and, in the volatile and precarious situation the airline industry finds itself at this time, that could be well prove to be enough to tip the balance between survival and extinction for some airlines.

This is effectively what O’Leary does when he starts spouting on about forthcoming airline failures. Of course he’s careful not to name names, but by planting that seed of doubt about the financial stability of some airlines, he is effectively encouraging punters to book with Ryanair rather than these other airlines – thus bolstering his own company’s revenue at the same time as putting the others down. To me, he’s as low down as that betting site.

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C-GOAF left Newcastle at lunch time today for Lasham……..

G-XLAN was (still is, at time of writing) B737-86N c/n 32685.

Who told you it was a ‘900? 😀

I knew I was going to do that…:o:rolleyes::D

Anyhow… It still remains the newest aircraft I’ve ever flown on, still had that ‘new Boeing’ smell about it. I guess if it goes somewhere else, maybe Ryanair could use it..?

Curious about G-XLAN, the then brand new 739 I flew on to Italy with the Scotland football team and media about 18 months ago… ?

G-XLAN was (still is, at time of writing) B737-86N c/n 32685.

Who told you it was a ‘900? 😀

Some latest info on fleet:

XL A/W aircraft are already beginning to move to new owners/locations. Changes to yesterday’s list are:
C-FTAE Dublin to Lake City MAP via Bangor on return to Sunwing
C-FTAH Glasgow to Lake City MAP via Bangor on return to Sunwing
G-OXLC LGW to Dinard 13/9
G-OXLD LGW to Miami via Bangor 13/9
G-VKNI cancelled to USA 12/9 & registered N219CY (still at Gatwick)
G-XLAJ Larnaca to Dothan via Keflavik 13/9
G-XLFR cancelled to France 12/9

Curious about G-XLAN, the then brand new 739 I flew on to Italy with the Scotland football team and media about 18 months ago… ?

Wonder where they got their info from………….:)

G-XLAJ was delayed and didn’t leave Larnaca until yesterday. Flew LCA/KEF 14 Sep.
G-XLAD left East Midlands 15 Sep for Istanbul
C-GOAF left Newcastle 16 Sep for Lasham

From Air Space forum

Some latest info on fleet:

XL A/W aircraft are already beginning to move to new owners/locations. Changes to yesterday’s list are:
C-FTAE Dublin to Lake City MAP via Bangor on return to Sunwing
C-FTAH Glasgow to Lake City MAP via Bangor on return to Sunwing
G-OXLC LGW to Dinard 13/9
G-OXLD LGW to Miami via Bangor 13/9
G-VKNI cancelled to USA 12/9 & registered N219CY (still at Gatwick)
G-XLAJ Larnaca to Dothan via Keflavik 13/9
G-XLFR cancelled to France 12/9

Unlikely to get anything back from the lease, to be honest. It is likely that the lease will have a deposit (three months lease charges is the typical amount), but these will be offset by the costs of returning the aircraft to a “white” condition – eg, no decals – and then there will be a discussion to be had over the maintenance reserves…

Lease charges themselves tend to be paid month on month, not in advance. I would hazard a guess that by the time it has all been worked out, there won’t be anything left in the pot for the receivers, and the leasing company will probably be out of pocket….

In the immediate term, they will be trying to ensure that the aircraft can be returned to lessors asap.

My guess is that right now, the leasing companies will be doing their very best to get the aircraft re-leased.

This might seem like a stupid thing to say (I apologise in advance if it is?!), but I am just wondering, if an airline has agreed a lease or just extended the lease on a particular aircraft, will they have had to of paid up-front for that…and if so, would they ever be able to get any money back from the lessor for the time remaining on the lease from the time they went into administration, or is a lease non-refunable?

As for the Paddy Power site, I wonder what is next – next member of the Royal Family to die? Tasteless in the extreme.

I totally agree, what confidence is that going to give an industry that is already in a state of turmoil…but I assume that Alitalia would be top of the list, seeing as they dont appear to have enough money for to buy any fuel!:)

I say we take our own private bets on the demise of PaddyPower…:D:diablo:

XL NCL

NCL based aircraft not going to Lasham. Crew attempted it this afternoon but airport said they wouldnt let it depart. Crew left to try another day. Still Blocked in

Looks like the 737 parked up at GLA (C-FTAH) has gone back to Sunwings Canada, leaving it’s ‘death row mate’ Zoom’s 757 on it’s own…

It is worth reiterating that XL did not own its fleet, therefore they have little value to the administrators. They will be trying to reduce incurred costs all round, so that any ongoing costs are reduced to a minimum.

In the immediate term, they will be trying to ensure that the aircraft can be returned to lessors asap. To do this, they will be working to ensure that any outstanding debt is not attached to the hulls, so they cannot be impounded by third parties.

My guess is that right now, the leasing companies will be doing their very best to get the aircraft re-leased. They will be removed to a paintshop, and very soon, the XL logo will be gone.

As for the Paddy Power site, I wonder what is next – next member of the Royal Family to die? Tasteless in the extreme.

Three things interest me on this:
1) The XL France and XL Germany operations are unaffected (Shades of Air Europe/ILG when the UK and Norwegian operations ceased, but Air Europe Italy and Spain carried on , as did the newly acquired Germain Operation, but that was a complex case.)
2) The speed with which lessors have retrieved their Aircraft (Definitely not like the old days).
3) When Jethro states parked – I does this mean as I suspect Blocked Off by the Airport!

Jethros is your Friend for the status of the XL fleet! This here link has the status of XL fleet, where they are currantly parked up etc

Edit: The NCL based unit one of the Sunwings Leased aircraft is off Lasham some time this evening!

http://jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/xl_uk.htm

If you read Post 7, you will see that some aircraft are already US registered and have moved on, no dust on their wings!

Probably been too busy looking up the latest odds on who will be the next bunch of poor sods who have to go home and tell their families they’re out of work……..

If you read Post 7, you will see that some aircraft are already US registered and have moved on, no dust on their wings!

Few quick questions.

Will the planes be placed in 1 large group somewhere or wont they be moved untill they are sold?

2nd, does whoever buys the planes have to pay the airport for the time they have been grounded?

Cal.

For instance, what if Airline A were to ‘encourage’ each of their employees to place a series of small bets on Airline B going bump in the night? Acting as private individuals rather than as employees, naturally.

Airline B’s shareholders could see the odds on its demise shortening, or may see reports to that effect in the media, and might decide to cut their losses – with predictably dire results for Airline B.

I quite agree. Similar scenerios to what happened years ago in the old BA/Virgin dirty tricks campaign. Do whatever to undermine your competitor. Thankfully we have fairly strong regulation these days. If an airline tried that these days it would cost them hundreds of millions in fines. I suppose you could argue they could possibly put themselves out of business as a result.

It’s a bloody disgrace Paddypower can get away with this. 33/1 for bmi is a scandal for a start…:rolleyes:

B’jaysus I was right ! 😉