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yakhont for Mig-29?

hi guys.
i’ve read somewhere that one of the options offered with the Mig-29SMT upgrade included the posibility of carrying 2 yakhonts 😮
but its being said that such a weapon weights 2500kg. in its air-delivered version, so 2 will make 5Tons, it looks to me really hard to believe.
just look at the size of those monsters 😮
does anyone have some information about? i think i’m missing something :confused:
thanks to all
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By: Srbin - 1st December 2004 at 23:27

I think up to 3 Alfas could be carried, and probably nothing else, maybe 2 R-73s/R-77s for self defence. Though, this will really decrease it’s speed and range, it of course be unable to dogfight with these until it would drop them. As for Yakhont, I highly doubt it would be able to carry more than 1, why? Because the air launched Yakhont weighs some 2500kg, it could accomodate a single one under the fuselage, 3 is way out of question, and if it decided on 2, I highly doubt it’s underwing hardpoints could each accomodate 2500kg.

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By: Wanshan - 1st December 2004 at 22:52

All info you need on various MIG 29 versions in this context

Max weapons load of MiG-20SMT-I is 5 tons. For MiG-29SMT-II its 5,500 kg

MiG-29SMTK is a carrierborne variant believed to have been offered to India and China in association with initial efforts to sell carrier Admiral Gorshkov. It combines MiG-29SMT features with landing gear, carrier landing system, folding wing, double-slotted flaps, arrester hook and enlarged tailplane of MiG-29K, the original maritime version which was based on the MiG-29M structure.

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By: Srbin - 17th November 2004 at 21:37

Yes, the Krypton is much lighter, has 3 times lower range and is a high flying supersonic the whole way, the Club is a sea skimmer thats subsonic for most of it’s flight profile before it speeds up to m2.5 for last 20 or more kms before it’s target. BIG difference.

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By: Blackcat - 17th November 2004 at 18:10

Krypton simply don have the range of the Klub or PJ-10/Yakhont.

Srbin,
the Klub is subsonic untill the last 60-70 Kms

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By: Camaro - 17th November 2004 at 16:31

then, between the sub-sonic Club and the super-sonic krypton, why shoudn’t i choose the super-sonic Krypton Kh-31?
unless we talk about range, diference has to be very big to be considered as a decisive factor for a choice…
i’m getting a headache 😀

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By: Srbin - 17th November 2004 at 03:47

Actually the air launched club is a subsonic sea skimmer until last 20kms it speeds to m2.5. I think with a 1600kg launch weight, a Mig-29M/K/SMT should be able to carry 2 comfortably, depending though on it’s hardpoints load. Their max payloads are something around 5500 & 5000kg. I highly doubt they’d be able to accomodate more than 2.

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By: hallo84 - 16th November 2004 at 22:34

thanks for the info guys, but is the CLUB better than the KRYPTON (KH-31)?
i’likw to compare both :confused:
thanks again guys 🙂
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i think the difference is the Club bing subsonic and the latter being supersonic. so it’s like comparing a trident against a moskit

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By: hallo84 - 16th November 2004 at 22:31

we might see it on the IN Mig29K if things work out. I wonder how
its expected to land back on the carrier though ? do carrier planes regularly land with unfired full-up munitions ?

No… i think it would be dangerous!!! Think of a F18 loaded with the extra weight of bombs and feul tanks…!!! One slight mistake will cause a hole on the flight deck rendering all operations to stop!

USN planes usually drop their load (depending on what they are carrying) into a safe dropping area before landing…

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By: Camaro - 16th November 2004 at 18:17

thanks for the info guys, but is the CLUB better than the KRYPTON (KH-31)?
i’likw to compare both :confused:
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By: Blackcat - 16th November 2004 at 18:03

Well………thats a it over weight for MiG-29, I’d say Klub family wud be the best one.
as It wud be able to carry 2 of them?

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By: Srbin - 16th November 2004 at 02:47

Yes, and considering the Gorshkov is a pretty small carrier compared to the giant US Nimitz class.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 15th November 2004 at 23:22

we might see it on the IN Mig29K if things work out. I wonder how
its expected to land back on the carrier though ? do carrier planes regularly land with unfired full-up munitions ?

In peace-time not. Typically a usefull weaponsload of smart weapons or AAMs is no more than two tons. The F-14A was limited to 4 Phoenix in peace-time operations. In war-time it does not matter and you drop surplus ordenance into the sea. In the “Balkan-war” even NATO landbased aircraft sometimes dropped surplus ordenance into the Adriatic before landing back.

Ask your Navy about “bring-back” capability of MiG-29K. 🙂

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By: Indian1973 - 15th November 2004 at 22:00

we might see it on the IN Mig29K if things work out. I wonder how
its expected to land back on the carrier though ? do carrier planes regularly land with unfired full-up munitions ?

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By: Camaro - 15th November 2004 at 21:25

Actually, it’s only 1 Yakhont-M on the centreline hardpoint. The options for Flankers include up to 3.

now that starts to make more sense, 1 on the centerline pylon, 🙂
and still leaves space for a few self defense gismos…
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By: Srbin - 15th November 2004 at 21:12

Actually, it’s only 1 Yakhont-M on the centreline hardpoint. The options for Flankers include up to 3.

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By: hallo84 - 15th November 2004 at 19:34

I think yakhont are way too big for the medium fighter…that’s why it wasn’t fitted on the original Mig29.

They have the lighter Club missle option with similar range, why would they opt for such a hard task???

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