YJ83 : Myth or reality ?

Nice CG of Chinese anti-ship missile

sorry i dont mean that but i am realy confused about nameing. 😎
can any body shade light on that.

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for export perpouses the chinese distinguish porducts they have in sevice and the export varient.

Where u got the idea,the C-80X series missile is import? I can sense another flamer here?

sorry i dont mean that but i am realy confused about nameing. 😎
can any body shade light on that.

i dont understand why china give his own name to every imported weapon and marketed in world as his own there is lot of porducts

Where u got the idea,the C-80X series missile is import? I can sense another flamer here?

i dont understand why china give his own name to every imported weapon and marketed in world as his own there is lot of porducts

According to a recent article in JDW on Iranian turbofan development, Chinese turbofan technology used on the C-802 was derived from the French (now Scnema) MicroTurbo TRI-60-3 which was transfered in the mid 80s.

The Iranian version is the Tollue 4, used on the Nasr (C802 copy) and improvements (Tollue 5) is on the drawing boards and a completely new model has finished preliminary design and is moving to detailed design stage.

but what could be the cost of a styx missile? I have heard that the Tomawhak costs around 1 million, the harpoon 400,000 $, the harpoonsky -10 years ago- a third of that. And a Chinese styx or other types? 100,000? 200,000?

About the styx as land attack weapon, my guess is that the SAMs-AAMs could cost more than this weapon. I have read that the HAWK costs around 250,000 $, an Sparrow 200,000 and a AIM 9 100,000. So, if we exculde the AA and the MANPADS the cost to assure the downing of such missile with a couple of these AAM-SAM, could be much higher than the attackers spend to launch such missiles. So, therorically, in a huge missile battle, China could have more SSMS than Taiwan SAMs-AAMs.
the DS use of patriot vs scud was an example. I know that atleast 140 Patriots were fired to shot down notm ore than 45 scuds or even lesser. If the Scud costs 1 million each, the patriots fired vs them were much more costly than the scud downed, even if they were really 45. this not to talk about the cost of a complete patriot battery and the array needed to couver the targets for the scud missiles. This means that only a very rich and advanced country could have the money to defend itself from a low-tec. treath like the scuds, and this without the use of NBC warheads.
Also the V-1 employ in the WWII is another example in wich the missiles, despite their vulnerability and imprecision, made damages several times higher than the costs for the germans to field these weapons. So, apparently, the offense is generally more cost-effective than the defense, see also the mines and Mandpads, RPGs, small arms etc..

Also for the VJ 83- c 803: how vessells have it? The older OSA have something more than the basic styx?

Nothing much on those fishbone arrays. Looks like UHF/VHF radar.

UHF/VHF radar nvr looks like that!

Nothing much on those fishbone arrays. Looks like UHF/VHF radar.

are the TV type aeriels on the 052C rear masts the Ukrainian anti-stealth radar ?
any specs on it ?

To make it simply for you, let’s start with this.

The YJ-83 aka known as the C-803 in some quarters, is currently the standard PLAN antiship weapon today. Not only it equips ships but also planes like the JH-7/7A. It’s also possible that the weapon has superceded the YJ-82 for submarine use.

The Kraken is an old weapon. Sooner or later that’s going to be obsoleted by the YJ-63, which is meant to be a cruise missiles, likely to be supersonic, with even greater range than the YJ-83. It was shown in a mockup form under a mockup JH-7 before. According to Hui Tong’s site, and boosted by some pictures, the YJ-63 is operational with a new variant of the H-6.

YJ-12 is a ramjet supersonic missile that seems like the Chinese equivalent to the Kh-31. With the Kh-31P being licensed manufactured as the YJ-91, the status of the YJ-12 is unclear.

The missiles on board the 052C destroyers remain a mystery. Personally I believe it’s a large supersonic ramjet antiship missile that has yet to be revealed, sort of a Chinese version of the Moskit.

The really important Chinese AshM that you should be concerned about is the YJ-83, which arms most of the PLAN ships except for the 052C (older ships have upgraded or will be to using this weapon). We’re waiting for more information on the 052C AshMs.

i simply cannot fullow all the chinese projects and less i can understund if China leaders have decided that their country must develop more projects than the rest of the world togheter, expecially when the missiles or whatever else developed weren’t even put in service or just in few examples (i.e in a couple of ships) and barely offered for export. I’d say that there is a lot of confusion about the Chinese enviroment plans, and the problem with the missiles is worsered because we cannot know if this or that missile are abandoned because they cost too much, they are too disappointed or the chinese leaders suffers of a kind of paranoic disturb.

As the Kraken, i would ask if is it true that exists a version for land attacks with longer range (you know, i am interested in the V-1 philosophy and i think that the styx family missiles is the modern equivalent of those weapons: a styx with enough range to reach Taiwan could be much less costly than a real Tomawhak class missile) that certainly could be developed by such big airframe.

Chinese officials are often told to deny even if they are forced to lie through their teeth. That’s what you call being paranoid and they themselves are fearful of any repurcussion if they revealed something classified. Even when the environment allows them to speak freely, old habits still die hard. The way he denied it sounds like he does not want you to be around.

167 and 112 is now said to be sporting some kind of new datalink, as well as 541. It may be reasonable to say that 167, 112 and the 053H3s may be YJ-83 compatible now, as well as 053H2G with both types reported to be upgraded with a new datalink.

Ironically, it seems that it is the C-802 “YJ-82” that may be the one that hardly ever made it in service since it was superceded so quickly.

For what it’s worth, a little while back I asked a CPMIEC official about the YJ-83 and their supersonic missile developments in general.

I got an exasperated denial that a YJ-83 existed – not evasion (knowing, or otherwise). I showed the CCTV image of the row of missiles all marked ‘YJ-83’ and was told, “yes I have seen this picture too. You must understand that sometimes things are not as they seem. There is no such thing as YJ-83.”

Fair enough, I said, and moved on to something else.

YS

What? You didn’t grab him by the pants leg and shake him upside down? 🙂
Seriously, where did you get to meet a CPMIEC official- at an airshow?

For what it’s worth, a little while back I asked a CPMIEC official about the YJ-83 and their supersonic missile developments in general.

I got an exasperated denial that a YJ-83 existed – not evasion (knowing, or otherwise). I showed the CCTV image of the row of missiles all marked ‘YJ-83’ and was told, “yes I have seen this picture too. You must understand that sometimes things are not as they seem. There is no such thing as YJ-83.”

Fair enough, I said, and moved on to something else.

YS

JHenin:

Not offense, I doubt your story was authenic. Sounds like rumors or faked.There was no Garbriel IV whatsoever. The photo you post was Garbiel1/2. After Garbriel3,there was no further new missle in the family. Because US supplied Harpoon to israel and also none of the Garbriels was turbojet powered,they were all rockets like exocets!Popeye was another class of turbojet which is much powerful and that was irrelevant to compare with C802/803 YJ82/83.

China can make turbojet for C802/803 YJ82/83 by her own,no need foreign help.China has a air launched LACM known asYJ63,launched by H6I bomber.The missle was TV guided,1500kg net weight and 500kg warhead, which does match the popeye!

China no more provide missles to Iran after US pressure.By the way,israel vice PM Mr.Ehud Olmert visited China last month with 200 israel businessmen delegation.And the vice PM hinted his country may sell dual purpose tech (civilian/military) when trade with China.If China israel relation sours, that wont be possible!

Regards

Sharon wasnt too happy when he heard about that and used US objection as an excuse to excuse the phalcon deal as well end other China-israel military technology sharing programs.

The Phalcon was cancelled in 2000 by then Prime Minister Barak. Sharon is the name of the current Prime Minister (in 2004)

Sounds like a paranoid Debka sourced rumor. I won’t take it seriously.

what’s deja? Is there a link you can post? Are these qualified sources, or just speculation from forum members?

That’s the first time I’ve heard that- do you have a link for this piece of news?

just heard some tibbits hear & there from israelis and iranians posting around in deja etc, let me correct what i said b4 its YJ-83 not 82 thats based on israeli TJ (used in popeye, gb iv) also i believe china has LACM based on that as well.
The link said its gb iv never seen a good image of it info on it is pretty classified i guess. But its pretty long missile matches the size of YJ-83 and the missile has range of 200 km+.