You lot like a whinge…

Can I just say that last night I caught up with the earlier programme of the pair.

It wasn’t a bad explanation of the Battle, even with the necessary simplifications.

I think had that been shown immediately before the Goodwood Show, rather than a few days before, it would have made much more sense of the latter.

Moggy

WH904

How true that is.

Exactly! But Channel 4 has no exclusivity. Horizon – once the flag bearer for innovative science documentary has been largely infected with the virus.

Indeed, this is how TV is now. I know the mind-set of Channel 4 as I used to work for them. They’re now incapable of producing anything that is in any danger of taxing the viewer’s attention span, but they cannot grasp that it is possible to inform and entertain, and that the two aims are not mutually exclusive.

That, just about covers everything.

There will be no change because the people who now run TV like it that way and know no other way.

You are making assumptions which have no basis in fact.

We are just accepting that our factual programmes have to be presented as light entertainment with loud and inappropriate music, just because the programme makers have decided we cannot take in information if it is seriously and professionally presented. The Taylor comparison is a ridiculous one as you well know. Interestingly, though, watching Kenneth Clarke and Jacob Bronowski recently with my grandson he was neither bored nor lost interest.

I think television programme makers patronise their viewers to the detriment of them and their programmes.

I was happy that there was a program but as I noted before whilst it was decent I did feel that it was a little hastily put together and some of the camera work seemed to promise more than we saw on screen.
Hope a DVD appears with a contribution to a suitable cause.

I’m absolutely astounded that people are making a fuss about the presenter rather than celebrating the fact that a private event, in the sense of it not being “official,” was shown at all.

Once again for the hard of reading, AJP Taylor type lectures whilst interesting to the likes of us are not going to reach or stimulate most of the general population.

If you are happy for the knowledge of the events and sacrifices to slowly diminish and die then by all means lets have Taylor on the screen.

If you would like to see the knowledge and interest continued, not least in the hope that future generations do not make the same mistakes, then you are going to have to accept that sometimes a program that is rather lighter on the heavily detailed history and a wee bit more on the entertainment side to draw people into then wishing to gain the detailed knowledge is of use.

Snafu – ” was presented by a well known (unless you are an aging plane geek) popular presenter.”

I plead guilty on all counts – until I googled him to discover he is a DJ and LE presenter. Well, for me, it showed! Better a show than no show, but it could have been a great deal better.

A couple of programmes on Radio 2 and a few news snippets on BBC News is a poor showing from the Beeb.

I disagree.

I thought the coverage on the news sections was well done under their time constraints. Anyone who was really interested would have known about and watched the Channel 4 coverage (channel 4 being the other public service broadcaster). If people heard the Radio 2 coverage in the morning and been interested in it, they could find out if there was more information elsewhere. Don’t forget it was not an ‘official’ event in the same way that the ceremony at St. Paul’s was, and the one at Westminster Abbey on Sunday will be

The BBC can’t win. If a great deal of resource and time had been put in, in this time of reduced budgets for the BBC, there would be other people on other forums complaining about the “waste of taxpayers money” (not that it taxpayers money, although most people who pay the licence are taxpayers) and the screen time dedicated to something that was so long ago. ( I don’t agree with the last comment, just in case….)

I can just imagine it, Mrs. Trellis of North Wales writing in saying, “why was my coverage of that lovely Mr.Corbyn interupted for a load of tosh about old aeroplanes, and anyway they shouldn’t be flying because they are dangerous”

WE would have preferred more, but you don’t always get what you want. I can’t stand the fact there is so much football coverage on the TV, but that’s the way things are.

Re 67

Yes, I publicly acknowledge that I don’t know whether you are a complete troll or, a work in progress.

A couple of programmes on Radio 2 and a few news snippets on BBC News is a poor showing from the Beeb.
Then the illogical BoB night showing of Bomber Boys as I have already mentioned.
I’d have been happy to watch the McGregors Fighter Boys again instead ( with occasional sound off/subtitles……see earlier post)
Full marks to Channel 4 and Dermot did well.
Apparently they were still editing the second episode 2 minutes before transmission and it did show a little bit, but overall I
appreciated the whole endeavour .

“Channel 4 and / or the production company will almost certainly have made a financial contribution to the event in order to be able to film and broadcast it.
Given that it is rather unlikely that another competing TV station is going to be allowed similar access.
It is not that difficult to comprehend”

I wouldn’t disagree with that, my comments regarding the BBC(tv) were of a broader nature, and as such I still fail to see how they could not have put together a programme specifically (as opposed to a snippet of inclusion in a news programme) on the BoB.

The event at Goodwood was just one of many , but not a requirement for inclusion in making a retrospective (by it’s very nature) programme; they might have even sat down with all of their old film clips and removed all of the P40’s, Mustangs, Wildcats, four cannon Hurricanes, tropical filtered mkV spitfires etc. etc, that to me is far more annoying than spur of the moment mistakes made by young (ish) presenters.

For what it’s worth I also agree with your third and fourth paragraphs .

“What you believe doesn’t really matter when it comes to contracts does it?”

Please expand, all knowledgeable one….

Channel 4 and / or the production company will almost certainly have made a financial contribution to the event in order to be able to film and broadcast it.
Given that it is rather unlikely that another competing TV station is going to be allowed similar access.
It is not that difficult to comprehend.

Threats of physical sbuse now. Really Snaf!!

Indeed, not the intent but that’s how it comes across, my apologies to all.

What I was trying to get across was this:
The same people who complain about a lack of knowledge today are then bemoaning the fact that a program that hopefully could be a gateway for some to become interested and seek to gain the apparently missing knowledge was presented by a well known (unless you are an aging plane geek) popular presenter.

That is plain contrary and simply being a **** for the sake of it. I suspect very many of us initially got interested in this subject due to the reading of the likes of Victor, Tiger, Valiant, the Eagle, Commando Comics, War Picture Library, Battle etc. Were all of those strictly accurate in the stories they told? Did they spark an interest that lead to your knowledge being improved beyond bang, bang, you’re dead? Programs such as the one we are discussing are somewhat todays comics.

…”which would have appealed solely to people like us..”

What makes you think that I’ve got anything in common with you ? Ramming Bungay’s book down my throat would be very acceptable nourishment. You have reminded me that ’empty vessels make the loudest noise’.

Well we both frequent an aviation forum so that would be one thing. Anything else upon which you’d like to publically acknowledge your lack of knowledge?

If they bring out a DVD could they include the pilots briefing in it’s entirety please.
For me that was the most interesting bit.
BTW was that Stephen Grey at the briefing? Which aircraft did he fly?

EP120

The Beeb marked Battle of Britain Day by repeating Bomber Boys presented by Ewan and Colin McGregor :rolleyes:
I wish they’d left the presenting to Ewan, Colin (the Harry Enfield lookalike) ain’t no presenter and its torture listening to his strangulated Scottish accent…………I feel better now I’ve got that off my chest!

‘Chris Evans is a presenter who has been extraordinarily successful in capturing audiences in all of the areas of the media he has worked. It has earned him upward of £50 million’

Are you sure he didn’t make his money from shares he sold in a radio station to Virgin?

I think you will find his company Ginger Media boughtVirgin Radio along with other investors then sold his shares to GMG PLC for £35 million allegedly. But he was only able to organise and fund the Virgin buyout as a result of his successful media career up to that point, selling his concepts to other media groups.

‘Chris Evans is a presenter who has been extraordinarily successful in capturing audiences in all of the areas of the media he has worked. It has earned him upward of £50 million’

Are you sure he didn’t make his money from shares he sold in a radio station to Virgin?

You are too kind, sir!

What a brilliant thread title.
Wind ’em up and watch ’em go. Ha ha ha ha!!!

Could have been worse……….we could have had Michael O’Leary………..!!!!

As they say, picks up coat and departs……………

Or worse still that French bloke, whotshisname?