Zombie thread 2004 – Red Bull Vixen how do you feel now ?

OK so there is just about a tenuous aviation connection, but if we are going to start an anti-Blair whingefest will you please start afresh on GD and leave this thread for Vixen related topics?

Thanks guys.

Moggy
Moderator

[QUOTE=XR537 (G-NATY)]

I might sound like the last boy scout, but this Govt. came in on the holier-than-thou, whiter-than-white anti-corruption/sleaze ticket “Remember, you are not here to enjoy the trappings of power but to do a job and to uphold the highest standards in public life.”, Tony Blair, May 1997.

The only thing that Tony B-liar, The Deputy Prime Hutt, The Scottish Dick Turpin Chancellor and the rest of his corrupt cabinet care about aviation in this country is:
1) How many flights can he blag off the Royal Flight ….Hmmm Tony, “trappings of power”

2) How he can wangle his own Air Force One through the books…and yes, it has already been proposed
….

And so, it came to pass…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5098126.stm?ls

Not content with just one Blair Force One, he just had to keep up with ‘Two Jags’ Jabba, and spend just over £1,025,000 per month (or £236,538 PER WEEK) of our taxpayers money having TWO private jets to fly around in.

President Blair we salute your honesty, integrity and for living up to your ’97 election promise…
“Remember, you are not here to enjoy the trappings of power but to do a job and to uphold the highest standards in public life.”, Tony Blair, May 1997.

As stated before, The other Mr Blair (Eric – AKA G. Orwell)), had it dead right…

Tales of woe, and flagpoles, and cabbages and kings..

(snip)

How about this for a simple idea. Each and every one of us go out and buy a National Flag and display it outside our homes. It doesn’t matter what nationality you are as we all live in a cosmopolitan, multi-cultural society, and I for one am pretty impressed with how well most of us get along with each other.

(PS I am not British, but the above reflects my experiences here in the UK over the last 35 years).

Two problems come to mind here.

One: try and find someone selling them
Two: see how long you can fly them before someone from the local Council tells you to pull it down as it can be seen to be inciting something in an over-reacting, introverted Counciller’s head. You may laugh at this but it has happened a number of times over the last ten years or so.

Any takers?

I put up a flag pole to display a St. George’s flag two years ago. I’m not a xenophobic right-wing BNP supporter, but I thought it might be nice to support the country for once. In fact, my mother is Scottish, my father English, my mat-Grandad Irish, and my Grandma Welsh…along with G-G-ancestors of Jersey, Isle of Man heritage…so I’m about as mongrel ‘British’ as they come. When it comes to any home nations playing, I’ll always root for them (as long as they are not playing England)…unlike the majority of some home nation supporters I could mention…

Anyway, I digress…Guess what. Letter from some knob-head officer (unelected civil servant, mind!) from the local Planning Department who obviously had sweet FA else to do that day.

“Dear Sir, …It has come to our attention …yadda, yadda, nag, nag, nag, …might offend those from ethnic minorities…blah, blah, waffle, waffle…. and you have 7 days in which to deconstruct the said pole, and apply through the normal process to this office…
Signed, Richard (Dick) Head,
Chief Flag-Pole Monitor on about 80k a year for acting a complete to*ser”

My reply (and I swear this is my actual letter, pasted in):
“Dear Department of Over-Officious Muppets,

You may, with all respect, go stuff your Planning Rules, very firmly up your own ar*e, and that of your over-politically-correct Planning department.

I was not brought into this World, as a free citizen of this democratic England (at least it was the last time I looked), to be dictated to by some jumped-up little tos*pot who thinks he can tell me whether or not I wish to follow my national and religious beliefs.

As to any threat that legal action may be taken should I fail to comply, then my only retort is to say, “yes please, bring it on” – in fact, “please bring it on, you bullying little ar*ehole.”

Any attempt to deny my religious freedom (in the same vein that you feel that I might offend some bunch of ethnic-minority religious zealots who still, after an amazing 800 year gap, believe that I am trying to rub in the Crusades will be countered very easily. Bearing in mind that the Crusades eventually ended in disaster and withdrawal, and that certain middle-east leaders of the time equally butchered prisoners without compassion (recorded, by the way, by his own chronicles), I don’t even give rat’s ar*e if they do, although this wasn’t my intention anyway.

By the same token that you have cited religious intolerance by your (as yet unnamed) objectors, I will also remind you of the very same legislation that you seem to be invoking. Under the Human Rights Act 1988, I have the undeniable right to worship, manifest my religious belief in any way shape or form, without persecution or oppression by any authority, unless, in the wider aspects of national security, such a belief would be harmful to the majority of citizens.

As a Member of the Royal Society of St. George, and a member of the ***, any suppression of my right to display this flag, will be deemed an oppression of my religious belief. My wish to manifest that belief in a non-threatening, peaceful and fully sincere manner cannot be steam-rollered by any State authority, in the same way that I cannot make a complaint about any other religious symbol adorning the places of worship of other religions, be it the Christian Cross, the Star of David, the Muslim crescent, etc.

For your information, my Society enjoys the patronage of Her Majesty, and I believe that when not in residence, and on other occasions, the cross of St. George adorns No. 1, The Mall. I notice also that many churches in the area, such as Ringwood Priory, Christchurch Priory, Wimborne Minster, etc., also display the same flag. When you can provide me with a copy of their planning applications, and subsequent approval for flying what you have considered a token of religious intolerance, then I might reappraise the situation. In fact, I might even write to Her Majesty, to inform her that her local Council might, equally, take such pathetic action.

In the meantime, go and find some other mug to try your bully-boy threats on, because they won’t work on me. Should you even consider to continue this pathetic attempt to suppress my Human Rights, then I will seek the Court’s leave to have you legally admonished for harassment, and causing unnecessary stress and anxiety for myself and my family.

On that note, I am entitled under the same Act to enjoy a normal family life, and by causing such stress and worry about the potential threat to our household – when you know full well that you haven’t a leg to stand on – is deemed oppressive, vindictive and an example of vexatious litigation.

Or, to put it another way, you may politely go and f**k yourself.

Bye, bye, you irritating little s**t, and have a nice day.

Yours, etc.”

As I had also faxed the letter, two days later, they asked the Police (President Blair’s Politically-Correct Brown Shirts) to serve a Notice to Desist on me for using “profane and vulgar language” and anything further might (note, might) deem me liable for committing an offence under the Telecommunications Act. When the Old Bill gave me the letter, I promptly tore it into pieces, put the bits in an envelope and tried to hand it back. They marched off with a flee in their ear, because they can’t actually do anything else about it.

In the meantime, the Council have sent letter after letter (all at taxpayers’ expense, of course) following up their threats.

However, nothing has happened, and my brief is happy to take them to Court on no-win, no-fee…but still they prattle on.

In the meantime, I have registered the domain name power-corruption-and-lies.com, where I am going to start documenting cases like this, where elected and unelected kn*b-heads try it on, and the stories that I have collated from others about this particular Council, and some of its member councillors, would make your hair stand on end.

In the meantime, I know another local Council that, allegedly, won’t even entertain planning applications to rebuild derelict hangars, unless the correct light-brown envelope is attached with a sufficiently thick wad of our Finest English Pounds contained therein, or flying lessons for one planning officer’s son are provided!! 😮

P.S. As to buying them, HoF are a good supplier, at www.flags.co.uk – they even have the two-piece aluminium 6m flagpoles – well worth 99 of our finest – and the cheapest entertainment I’ve had in years, when comparing how long this looney debacle has gone on for now! 😀

P.P.S. If they trya nd get heavy, also involve your local paper – they just love writing up stories about pompous over-officialdom like these type of knob-heads, and the Daily Mail is even better at it!

In the meantime, would you trust this nation’s air industry to the Good-God man, The Bad, and the Fat Ugly One???… (or is ‘fat’ now banned under crony (fat lard-ar*e bloater) Falconer’s new list of “bad and demeaning words”?)

Have you seen these people? Wanted in connection of allegations
of being totally inept, pompous, and refusing to live up to the
normal standards of public life, namely that if you f**k up, you go.

I am British with a capital “B” (complete with passport) and when I left 30 years ago it was spelt GREAT BRITAIN! How things have changed!

It looks to me as if most of us are on the same wavelength here i.e. proud of our heritage, nation, history etc, and fed up with the modern fashion of the political system forcing Political Correctness upon us, whoever we are or where ever we are from.

How about this for a simple idea. Each and every one of us go out and buy a National Flag and display it outside our homes. It doesn’t matter what nationality you are as we all live in a cosmopolitan, multi-cultural society, and I for one am pretty impressed with how well most of us get along with each other.

(PS I am not British, but the above reflects my experiences here in the UK over the last 35 years).

Two problems come to mind here.

One: try and find someone selling them
Two: see how long you can fly them before someone from the local Council tells you to pull it down as it can be seen to be inciting something in an over-reacting, introverted Counciller’s head. You may laugh at this but it has happened a number of times over the last ten years or so.

Any takers?

a bit off subject i know but i had a letter from my work today….it says basically i have to take my birth cert in to prove im british, and i can work in this country!!!!!!!…..WAT……both of my parents are BRITISH, ive lived in BRITON all my life. what has happend to this once GREAT briton. us brits once had the best aircraft industry in the world. them days are long long gone. so lets at least keep some of the memorys of this once great industry alive. lets try and keep a bit of GREAT BRITON…..BRITISH..and if enyone else dosent like it….well you know what to do dont you……

Don’t worry, they’re still going strong! http://www.omrlp.com/

YAY! Whoo Hooo!.. where do I sign?

MJR

oh and to mi5 and the anti britishness brigade, currently monitoring the thread for civil dissobedience and unrest. I never posted that last thread…….it was not me………….. 😀

MJR

What a shame the raving looney party doesnt exist any more, theid get my vote in a few weeks time.

Don’t worry, they’re still going strong! http://www.omrlp.com/

Ok my turn to vent off now too, after struggling outside all day, cos our local parish council think its unecessary to have a hanger for the long term preservation of historic aircraft. grrrrrrrrr

If the vixen has little appeal to Jo public, then Jo public must be bl~**y blind!

I dont frequent a lot of the airshows any more because they are samey sh*te!. every year another significant and interesting aircraft dissapears from the circuit because of another beurocratic lunatic brussel sprout sticking his nose in, or another idiotic labourite rule comes in, slamming another door shut to the aviation community, Easa insurance regulations being a case in point.(We havent got the euro dollar yet! so kn*b off with ya ridiculous rules!!) And for what? so that the display circuits can be further filled with monstrous airbus A340’s lumbering around, labotamising every one into a coma, and using 10 times the amount of fuel, which of course will have doubled in price since last years show.

What about reminding everyone, including our asylum challenged friends, of our heritage and ingenuity?, displaying proper aircraft such as the Vixen, Bucc, Lightning etc, instead of forcing us all to up sticks and ship them all over to the other side of the pond to fly em. I am in total agreement with XR 537, this country is a sad remnant of what it once stood for, and labour have trashed it to new lows since the last election.If it werent for two aircraft that demand my undivided attention at present, I would Kn***b off to Oz tomorow, The chavs and croneys can have the united P**ss take of Britania, cos its past the point of recovery. I cant stand the sight of Blair and his fat pompous clowns, and I was one of the fool hardy electorate taken in by their holier than thou promises in 97! I voted for em!

British historic aviation, and Fred Dibnas age of steam programs are/were the last surviving bastion of true british inginuity and grit, for all to see, something to be proud of, which represented the nations psychi, but of course we are not allowed to be reminded of this any more, its not PC. Wouldnt it be great to have a program like Freds, where being PC was left in the studio, but about British aircraft, now that would be something to watch.

We can critisice our French friends, but at least when their govenrment takes the p@!ss, they get out on to the streets and Bl+@dy well riot until the governemnt backs down! Many of the silly brussels directive we have to uphold, the French simply dont!

What a shame the raving looney party doesnt exist any more, theid get my vote in a few weeks time.

sighhh. thats better.

Next please.

MJR

Say, WTF is the argument here ?

So if he considers the operation of the Sea Vixen too expensive, who on Earth else is likely to come up as a sponsor?

As much as I have enjoyed seeing this aircraft, hopefully again in the future, it seems to me that it has very little appeal to Joe Public, who would hardly be capable of distinguishing it from a (much cheaper) Vampire or Venom.

Seems like (yet) one more person who is NOT associated with our company making totally off-the-cuff assumptions, in the absence of ANY accurate information or knowledge about the past, current or future commercial arrangements, or any of Dietrich’s plans. Like you personally know, do you, that he makes the localised decisions?? I fear, my learned friend, that you know sweet Fanny Adams. :p

The only people who do know what is the set-up are myself and the other directors of the company. The actual aircraft is not owned by Red Bull at all, it is simply in their logo as part of a sponsorship deal.

It just amazes me where all these so-called “realiably informed” ‘experts’ come from…as it is blatantly obvious that they actually know jack. 😡

Whether it’s done to try and impress others on these type of forums, I really don’t know, but I would suggest that unless they are party to minutes of board meetings and confidential commercial meetings, they STFU – or they risk making themselves look to be even more ill-informed pot-stirring Muppets than they already are.

Here endeth….etc. and it’s time for bed, said Zebedee [boing!]

It’s louder, it’s bigger and above all you get to put your monica on the only privately owned supersonic aircraft in the UK if not europe! 🙂

Amongst others, Red Bull’s owner has put several Alpha Jets on the German (!) civil register, completely restored an airworthy DC-6B (including replacement of major part of the skins) and built a technically and architecturally most impressive museum in Salzburg to house all of his aircraft. He seems to thrive in collecting unusual aircraft (Alpha Jet, DC-6B, Bell HueyCobra). And then there are all the hugely expensive, non-aviation related activities (e.g. Formula 1 racing). In short, he certainly not short of funds and is not afraid of spending them.

So if he considers the operation of the Sea Vixen too expensive, who on Earth else is likely to come up as a sponsor?

As much as I have enjoyed seeing this aircraft, hopefully again in the future, it seems to me that it has very little appeal to Joe Public, who would hardly be capable of distinguishing it from a (much cheaper) Vampire or Venom.

As sad as it may be, it seems like a dead-end situation to me. But I would gladly be proven wrong.

(snip)you all do a fantastic job in the face of such overwhelming oppression from higher powers and the purists.

Saying that, I have to take my hat off to the RAF, who really are very keen to see these birds fly… it is, after all, their proud heritage too, and the overwhelming majority of serving staff, even the ones with scrambled-egg uniforms, do want to retain preservation aircraft… but the pi*s-poor budgets that they’re given, means that they have to, reluctantly (and sometimes tearfully!) say goodbye to these magnificent kites.

I remember one very senior Officer at an airshow, where XH558 was nearing her last tour, almost cry when he saw her take-off, and explained that it’s always the pressure of slashing budgets from the Whitehall mandarins that forces them to have to give the chop. They would love to have an historic arm of the forces, like the US do, but there isn’t the money.

On this project, the RAF have been superb, as they know what it means to this country’s airshow crowds what the RAF stand for… and have stood for done in the past, whether flying in formation in peacetime, or gunning down V2s or Heinkels that were trying to kill us.

New Labour have carried on that fine tradition of chopping history, and then ten-folded it in earnest, in their quest to try and bury our history.

I am fortunate to have many of the original letters and documents from the Gnat’s design days, including original letters signed by Folland himself, and as you say, the innovation, blood, sweat and tears that went into these things was astounding. You only have to read the letters to see what they went through, and the sheer-bloody-minded attitude of succeed at all costs… the same attitude that made people like Brunel staple bridges to the very Earth’s core, and succeed.

In total contrast to the actual RAF who flew them, Governments know the price of everything, but the value of nothing. 😡

AAhh. Thats better for me, how was it for you? I mean, it is such a breath of fresh air to have someone who knows what they are talking about say it straight and not concern themselves with the nanny-state PC Police.

Thank you G-NATY

Hear, hear…

Private aviation in this country is a dying breed ladies and gentlemen, if it’s not our government with their pen pushing beaurocratic edicts designed purely to create jobs for the boys and to suppress the ordinary people then it’s le frogs and der krauts with their eu comrades :diablo:(snip)

Too damn right… I know it sounds like political dreams…but it REALLY IS time that this nation took back its pride, its dedication, its sense of fair play, its sense of supporting the underdog…and above all, really start bellyaching and creating as much ballyhoo as feasibly possible when we see airstrips ripped up, and the rest of the lying, cheating, corruption that goes on in all levels of Govt., even down to parish council level! – and don’t even get me started on planning applications for new hangars (even if they are on the site of ones that have literally fallen down! :confused: )

I might sound like the last boy scout, but this Govt. came in on the holier-than-thou, whiter-than-white anti-corruption/sleaze ticket [quote] “Remember, you are not here to enjoy the trappings of power but to do a job and to uphold the highest standards in public life.”, Tony Blair, May 1997.

The only thing that Tony B-liar, The Deputy Prime Hutt, The Scottish Dick Turpin Chancellor and the rest of his corrupt cabinet care about aviation in this country is:
1) How many flights can he blag off the Royal Flight ….Hmmm Tony, “trappings of power”

2) How he can wangle his own Air Force One through the books…and yes, it has already been proposed

3) How much he can charge UK holidaymakers through airport taxes – I mean, it’s not like they’ve paid enough tax on their earnings already to take a bl**dy break, is it? …or that the airlines have paid sh*tloads of tax on fuel, aircraft, corporation tax, etc., etc., etc., is it?

4) How many airstrips Prezzer the Hutt can make compulsory purchase orders on to build 2,764,678 houses on…erm.. with no additional hospital money, doctor’s surgery, dentist, upgrade of the water system, ammenities, etc., – still build some cul-de-sacs and a few feeder roads around these lego bricks, and the Chavs can have no end of fun racing around, uninsured, killing pedestrians… I mean, who needs ammenities and things for kids to do? What’s wrong with Playstations where they can fantasise about shooting up cops and passers-by?

5) How many air miles his buddies can collect… to whit, Mandy the Mortgage Fraudster, who would normally be in prison now for attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by fraud and deception, but is, instead, on £329,000 per year, doing 2 days a week as an EU Commisar

6) How can he work out how to get 1st class upgrades on his holiday flights (those that he doesn’t blag HM’s kite riding on some pi*s-poor excuse that he’s “tying it in with official visits” to Fraudster Berlusconi). The usual trick is to persuade BA that “due to security risks”, Mr President Blair and the First Lady would be easier protected in first class, than in coach and cattle.

7) Do you really want any more…..???

yes folks, it’s the typical get into power and stuff your fat greedy snouts in the trough for all you can get, scr*w the place over, then get kicked out by a very pi**ed-off electorate…that is, until, we start having elections that are, shall we say, ‘influenced’ or ‘corrected for ambiguity’

..and all the so-called ‘minority’ industries, like aviation, get stamped on as they’re not important and why don’t we just build anything with wings at our friends’ hangars in Toulouse and the US…which half the cabinet have also got shares in…ho hum…

Ah well, there goes my peerage (as I get my ISP tracked down by MI5 to BT and put on the Watch List), guess I’ll have to pay for the blasted gong now… but there, again, don’t most people these days?

The other Mr Blair (Eric), had it dead right…

XR537 what more can I say than, can i vote for you on may 4th?!! 😀 Never a truer word hath been said on this forum or any other forum than this man ladies and gentlemen. Private aviation in this country is a dying breed ladies and gentlemen, if it’s not our government with their pen pushing beaurocratic edicts designed purely to create jobs for the boys and to suppress the ordinary people then it’s le frogs and der krauts with their eu comrades :diablo: . I care not what owners and operators have to do to keep their machines in the air in order for the general public to appreciate this nations fine and long tradition of aviation heritage, where innovation was the name of the game and rules where meant to be broken. To the oh so whiter than white purists that seem to populate these pages I have these words for you, p**s right off, if you want to see a vixen or any aircraft in their origional colours go and read your boy’s own papers, aircraft illustrated or salivate over them in some dark and dusty museum where they sit a sad shade of their former selves 😡 These aircraft where not built to sit idle on the ground gathering hanger dust, bird cr*p and grafitti from bored visitors, whose minds are numbed with the yellowing placards of ‘This WAS ………………………it USED TO…………’, they ARE built to fly!!!!!!!!!! :p to XR537 and your boys at De Havillands, you all do a fantastic job in the face of such overwhelming oppression from higher powers and the purists. You all should be rewarded for your dedication to breathing life in to a dying industry. I have probably stirred the hornets nest but these men (and women??) ladies and gentlemen are heroes in alot of peoples eyes for bringing to them the joy of seeing such impressive and rare aircraft to life and showing them in their natural element (the sky :rolleyes: ). What ever means are necessary to keep them there so be it!

Well said :diablo:

James

XR537 what more can I say than, can i vote for you on may 4th?!! 😀 Never a truer word hath been said on this forum or any other forum than this man ladies and gentlemen. Private aviation in this country is a dying breed ladies and gentlemen, if it’s not our government with their pen pushing beaurocratic edicts designed purely to create jobs for the boys and to suppress the ordinary people then it’s le frogs and der krauts with their eu comrades :diablo: . I care not what owners and operators have to do to keep their machines in the air in order for the general public to appreciate this nations fine and long tradition of aviation heritage, where innovation was the name of the game and rules where meant to be broken. To the oh so whiter than white purists that seem to populate these pages I have these words for you, p**s right off, if you want to see a vixen or any aircraft in their origional colours go and read your boy’s own papers, aircraft illustrated or salivate over them in some dark and dusty museum where they sit a sad shade of their former selves 😡 These aircraft where not built to sit idle on the ground gathering hanger dust, bird cr*p and grafitti from bored visitors, whose minds are numbed with the yellowing placards of ‘This WAS ………………………it USED TO…………’, they ARE built to fly!!!!!!!!!! :p to XR537 and your boys at De Havillands, you all do a fantastic job in the face of such overwhelming oppression from higher powers and the purists. You all should be rewarded for your dedication to breathing life in to a dying industry. I have probably stirred the hornets nest but these men (and women??) ladies and gentlemen are heroes in alot of peoples eyes for bringing to them the joy of seeing such impressive and rare aircraft to life and showing them in their natural element (the sky :rolleyes: ). What ever means are necessary to keep them there so be it!

The Comedy Club

Who needs more comedians, when we’ve got the likes of Prezzer and Clarke!! 😀

have you ever thought of being a comedian…………fantastic….. 😀