Zunyder Zee

Well, Peter,

You know what they say, you are never too old to learn. If only you knew what I have learned about the He115 these past months. 😎

Cheers

Cees

I think we are both getting pretty educated in the lancaster and halifax thats whats so great about our friendship Cees. any hali queI can fire your way and any lancaster ones you can fire my way.. :0)

You were just checking if I knew, weren’t you? :p

Cheers

Cees

Well don’t I feel daft…
Yes on second look I can see the round holes in the aft section….

Great Pics Cees thanks for sharing! That rear tire looks in great shape! The piece of wreckage that has a corrogated type framework looks like the same area near our midupper turret..!

Peter,

The wreckage you are referring to is a large section of wingflap. It also held the manufacturers plates. The information on these could give no clue to the definitive identification. The engine plate did, it was spot on and finally solved a five year puzzle.

Cheers

Cees

Martin already provided you with the list I wanted to post, and Cees is part of the most active and professional group in this field, (to my opinion)

Bert

Gosh Bert,

You make me blush 😮 :p

Groeten

Cees

Great Pics Cees thanks for sharing! That rear tire looks in great shape! The piece of wreckage that has a corrogated type framework looks like the same area near our midupper turret..!

Martin already provided you with the list I wanted to post, and Cees is part of the most active and professional group in this field, (to my opinion)

Bert

You asked for it:

Some more

Lancaster DV286 of 300 Sqn

Your wish is my command:

Cees. any chance of posting lanc wreck pics on here???

Hi guys,

There are some very famous photo’s of the B-17 Dinah Might. As far as I know the aircraft was found after the war and the olive drab finish had bleached into an orange colour. It had apparently bellylanded and left there. It was probably scrapped shortly after as nothing (as far as I know) survives. Pity.

Cees

I saw a photo yers ago of a substantially complete B17 “Spot Remover” in the former Isslemeer (excuse spelling). Always wondered what happened to it.
Anyone know?

B-17g dina might

HP 57 do you know what happened with the b-17g dinah Might it was recovererd 100% complete!
Some sources say it was scrapped by scrap farmers??
Does anything still exist of this aircraft.

Cheers (groetjes), Robert 🙂

Well, you asked for it

After the war various areas of the IJsselmeer were turned into land. When the waterlevel dropped the remains of some aircraft were found many of which were from WWII. For fear of explosives these wrecks were recovered, but even more wrecks turned up. The AF was called in to remove these wrecks and this is when their fame (deservedly I hasten to add) started. Over the following decades many wrecks were found including some bicycle wheel (they thought) and some wood. It was thought to be a large bicycle but when parts dated 1916 were found it turned out to be a Gotha bomber (details escape me at the moment, but I have a book with more info on that as well as a pic of the remains). During 1975 an almost complete B-24 was found, but during the recovery (five crewmembers were laid to rest), most of it was destroyed and only some parts remain in a museum). Every now and then reports appeared in the national press about wrecks being trawled up but nothing substantial.

The last decade

During 1993 the wreck of an aircraft was found by a boat deepening the shipping lane in the north of the IJsselmeer. It was established to be the wreck of a P-47D Thunderbolt which went missing together with its pilot Frank Gallion during WWII.

In 1995 the wreck was recovered complete (apart from breaking in two just barely out of the water) and put on outside diplay for about a year during an exhitbition covering aircraft crashes in the IJsselmeer.

During 1998 we hooked up with some fishermen who had located an aircraft wreck and wanted to know more about it. That’s the start of a very enjoyable partnership where they will find the wrecks and we will do the investigation, and if missing crewmembers are involved making sure the authorities are contacted and persuade them to effect a recovery.

The wreck indicated was a 83 squadron Lancaster missing since June 12/13th 1943. The complete wing is still there and an engine was recovered which has been restored and put on display. The preservation is excellent. A few years ago the control column was recovered. No missing persons in this one (we make sure everything is done by the book, before you ask)

Another wreck turned out te be another Lanc, this time being from 300 sqn with an all Polish crew. Five of these had still been missing. To make a long story short, last year during november 25th, all five were finally laid to rest with the only survivor (the bombaimer) being present. This was the cumulation of five years of work. But it was worth it.

Now we are working on a Heinkel (no missing crew) but as soon as the investigation is finished I will provide all details to FlyPast if they want to (including photo’s). One engine and some wingstructure has already been recovered.

Conditions are terrible for divers (visibility is ducksoup, a blessing in this case as it avoids looting) depth about four to seven metres and half the bottom is mud, and the other half consits of sand. Water is mostly fresh (not salt, although near the sluices to the norths there is a mix of fresh/salt understandably).

HTH

Cheers

Cees

Sorry mate

Why don’t you just ask/Je kunt het me ook gewoon vragen…. :rolleyes:

Tomorrow we will be further investigating a Heinkel 115 wreck. It was reported upon a few issues ago in FlyPast.

Cheers

Cees
www.arg1940-1945.nl (probably also on that list)

OK Cees,

So I’m asking what can you tell me anything New in the past 10 plus years and what about that Gotha thing Huh. Your Thick head Yank friend wants the low-down are you guys hiding stuff Huh? I know thats were TIGHAR should be looking for Amelias’ Lockheed at. 😀 😮

Question whats the water like for Diving and Currents, have fun this weekend and be safe you Naughty Dutch Boy :p .

Cheers Crazymainer

Why don’t you just ask/Je kunt het me ook gewoon vragen…. :rolleyes:

Tomorrow we will be further investigating a Heinkel 115 wreck. It was reported upon a few issues ago in FlyPast.

Cheers

Cees
www.arg1940-1945.nl (probably also on that list)

Hi, looking at the Zuider Zee in the Netherlands while writing this..
As early as 1928 the Zuiderzee was closed off from the North Sea with a dam, and turned into a swee****er basin.
Today the Zuider Zee consists as the closed off swee****er drain of the Ijssel river, now named Ijsselmeer, and the dregded new land named Flevoland, a new province in the Netherlands. Narrow and long strechted lakes are in open connection with the IJsselmeer around the Flevopolder
Many recoveries were done in 50’s and 60′ and 70’s after the dredged land of the first the Northwest part , then South western part of the Flevopolder were cultivated for farming and the building of urban area’s Lelystad, Almere and Zeewolde.

In the nineties the last finds were dine in the waters of the Ijsselmeer. I will look for some internet sites of finds for you later.

Bert

Maestro

I assume you mean the Zuider Zee – also known as Ijsselmeer

If you follow this link – you will find many groups in the Netherlands dealing with Aviation Archaeology and Recovery – there you also will find the latest ‘finds’

http://sites.koolhoven.com/dhas/

HTH
Martin / Swiss Mustangs