mattI wonder if the establishment has realised china will not give up its claims specially after the chinese request to India to remove certain checkpoints etc in sikkim (iirc)
mattAre we going to get all black belt in historical terms?
Well yes I did mention Japan because that was the first occurrence within the last century of a time when the western dominance and superiority was challenged.
If you want to get Historical and start mentioning Mongols I would like to mention the Persians, if you think the Persian Empire did not challenge and even influence world views and teachings Chinese, Indian, English, Spanish or otherwise then please go back to school.
If you wish to go even further back and actually be more informed then can I point you to the Egyptians? Although they were not Asian they were/are non European.
Even Herodotus attributes/thanks the Egyptians for the rise of Greek culture, philosophy and technology.
So serious I would suggest people stop blaming the western world for their own ill informed opines.
mattseems to be a lot of wishfull thinking
mattSorry but the US does want to “occupy” China in the most important places… The mind.
You don’t think Americans want to turn the Chinese people into good obedient Christians that know their place? The West has dominanted the world for over 400 years. China is the first “non-European” country since then to threaten that domination..
I would put my money on Japans defeat of Russia, 1904-1905 for mongolia as the ‘first “non-european” country for 400 years’ to have broken the yoke of western capitalism.
mattThe report is balanced your right, but there are certain things I do not agree with so much. The Asymetric warfare approach would work if you are fighting an occupying force but america doesnt want to occupy China, just send it back to the stone age, and or ruin chinas economy.
mattwhy not a facility to house missile defence componants?
mattIts pretty much useless, if you do a google for it, you will find a lot of reports in congress written by one of the US armed forces people and several technical experts.
The design is not all that is promised and they have spent A LOT of the money allocated to researching DP aircraft on things like hotels and holidays…
pretty much a sham by the looks of things.
matt
mattI really dont see this bizare argument by LM. Even if India doesnt buy the F-16 it may or may not be in a good position to buy the F-35 if it wanted to depending on Indias relationship and Economy.
What is wasting Billions of Dollars on Buying limited F-16s got to do with Indian Airforce buying F-35?
The manufacturing technologies are different, they would both need different factory lines. Different repair and maintananced Schemes. And how well suited would the F-16s be in replacing some of the strike role within the IAF.
In a century where airforces are desperately seeking to replace the F-16 how would it make sence for India to buy it? India is no netherlands or Austria I cant sit on its laurals looking at Pretty Teen fighters. It needs machines that can deal out punishment.
mattIf this is true, then the Navy is bailing out of the LCA project for all intents and purposes. They may not announce it as such, but thats what it will mean.
No the Navy is being very smart here, by lumping its requirement alongsidethe Airforces the nave doesnt have to waste a year trying to setup another longdrawn RFP/RFI process period. It also means the nave gets to play with the IAF and leverage contractors to supply quality.
As everyone must know anyway Indian Navy was in Negotions with the Russians for extra aircraft anyway.
from the Indian governments point of view it could also help to placate both the Russians and US.. Hornets anyone?
mattFor what time period you are quoting here? And can you describe the people what they had said when too:confused:
Probably since the dawn of man, and as for the description of pilots I would say have two legs, two arms, nose, two ears, hair, two eyes , mouth lips and various other parts including parts for procreation.
Excuse myself, I am watchin Airplane 2 and its rubbing off on me.. (no not a rash but the hilarity and slapstick and world play.)
mattUS aviation major says it will meet India’s offset target Johnson, however, refused to elaborate how the company plans to meet the offset target. “We will have to wait for the details of the RFP. We have a strong history of working offsets… We are very confident that we will be able to meet the offset requirements,” he said.
Translation:
“We will have to wait for the details of the RFP” :
We are not really sure and we are hoping our bluff will not be found out
“We are very confident that we will be able to meet the offset requirements” :
We dont really know if we will win this and dont really know what we will do if we win it but we want the money and we want to keep the jobs at the F-16 factories until the F-35 comes along so we will say anything we can so that we dont have to give redundancy to our workers.
mattWhy do you say the materials are wholly American?
Not all but certain key materials might be. Not sure how the legalaties of all these things work. But If i suppose a US firm makes a material and produces it in europe then i presume it is still American.
But if an American firm makes a material, gives a license to a european firm to manufacture free of will what happens? All depends on type of license.
They could and they couldnt be, but do you really want to find that out during a war with your neighbour when you need to repair say one of your leading edges or fuselage sections?
Havent learnt from the last time the UK sold India goods which had american componants?
mattExercise Indra Dhanush Wraps Up at Waddington
(Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued July 12, 2007)
An Indian Air Force Su-30MKI Flanker H flies alongside a Typhoon and a Tornado F3 from the Royal Air Force. (MoD photo by Geoff Lee)The first ever combined United Kingdom /Indian air exercise to take place in the UK has drawn to a close with both sides pleased by what they achieved during the fortnight-long training package.
Exercise Indra Dhanush, which took place at RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire, followed on from a successful training exercise between the Royal Air Force and Indian Air Force (IAF) in India in 2006.
This time pilots and aircrew from Waddington welcomed their Indian counterparts to the UK after training with them in Gwalior and Agra in 2006. The two-part exercise, designed to further develop UK and Indian relations, is the first time that the two countries have worked together in more than 40 years.
Officer Commanding 25 Squadron, Wing Commander John Prescott, said:
“We first worked with 43 Squadron India for the first part of this exercise in 2006 which the Indians hosted. Working with a nation we were not familiar with proved to be extremely good value.
“It is good for both sides to be able to adapt and work with each other and gain a level of understanding with officers and airmen – not just in the air but in a social situation as well.
“From my point of view there are mixed experience levels in the Squadron across all ranks with some having experience of working alongside other countries, while others have no coalition experience.
“This exercise has given them the chance to learn how to operate closely with a different nation, particularly a country which is non-NATO and non-European. Both ground crew and pilots have gained confidence and flexibility from the work they have done.
“It’s been an absolute success with all of the aims and objectives achieved. We have gone from simple air exercises to large force employment in a variety of operational relevant scenarios.
“The Indian pilots spoke excellent English, so apart from taking into account a different accent, there were no problems with communication.”
The Indians are using SU30 MK 1 fighters during the exercise. They have also brought a tanker and full ground crew with them.
The IAF has historically chosen many UK aircraft for its fleet, with India already having acquired the Hawk fast jet trainer. Their procurement of the Hawk has seen many IAF pilots training at RAF Valley as part of the deal.
The Exercise Indra Dhanush training has evolved from basic, simple air exercises to large scale force employment in a number of operational scenarios. Flt Lt David Griffiths, a pilot with 25 Squadron, said:
“It’s been a fantastic experience, and not like anything I have done before – it is my first time working with another nation and it’s the chance of a lifetime. It’s been extremely challenging.
“We have been really working together and integrating crews from both nations onto each side. We have had to learn each other’s terms and tactics and it has definitely been rewarding.”
Wg Cdr A C Chopra added:
“We wanted to build on last year’s exercise in India and we have been able to meet our objectives. We have flown in mixed formations and now have a degree of interoperability.” (ends)
“Valorous MARS” Enhancing IAF’s Strategic Presence
(Source: Indian Ministry of Defence; issued July 12, 2007)
When the Indian Air Force (IAF) Jaguars flew to Alaska during their first overseas joint air exercise “Cope Thunder” in July ’04, the newly inducted Ilyushin-78 MKI ‘air-to-air’ refuellers of the IAF heralded their acquired strategic reach capability.
This year, the six Su-30 MKIs that flew from Pune airbase in India to Royal Air Force (RAF) airbase at Waddington (UK), were also accompanied by two IL-78 MKIs of the ‘Valorous MARS’ (No. 78 Mid-Air-Refuelling Squadron) from Agra through their long ferry route. Despite the din and the excitement of the first-ever arrival of the formidable Su-30 MKIs at UK, the significant aspect of IAF’s continued enhanced strategic reach capability, did not however go unnoticed.
“The IL-78 MKIs have been employed in five overseas assignment so far. These include Alaska, South Africa, France, Singapore and now UK,” informed Group Captain K Raghavendra, Commanding Officer of the MARS.
“We would have loved the experience of tanking RAF fighters during the exercise that would have made inter-operability possible. We look forward to such an experience in the future,” he added on RAF Tornadoes not having tanked with them during the exercise.
The six IAF Su-30 MKI fighters will have flown nearly 19,000 km each, tanked eight times and transferred nearly 225 tonnes of fuel mid-air in all, spread over 28 flying hours with stop-overs en route at Doha (Qatar) and Tanagra (Greece), both ways.
The Il-78 aircrew also visited RAF Brize Norton, the home to RAF VC-10 Tankers flown by 101 Squadron. Interestingly the RAF squadron is 90 years old. The aircrew had discussions on the procedures and tactics and found lot of common ground in the same. The VC-10 can uplift 70 tonnes of fuel in the air. For a similar route by the IL-78 involving two enroute landings from India to UK, VC-10s would have had to undertake three.
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mattHyper, whatcha thinkin about ? 😀
Govt okays Rs10,000cr Indo-Israel missile proj
NEW DELHI: In a significant move in India’s missile capabilities and defence cooperation with Israel, the government on Thursday approved a Rs 10,000 crore joint venture { $ 2.5 billion } between the two sides to produce a sophisticated surface-to-air missile for the Indian Air Force.
This is probably the largest joint venture of its kind between India and any other country. It surpasses all previous such ventures, including the hugely successful Indo-Russian Brahmos cruise missile.
The Cabinet Committee on Security on Thursday gave the formal go ahead to the joint venture between Defence Research and Development Organisation and Israel Aerospace Industries Limited for the almost $2.5 billion project.
According to sources, the DRDO would be the ‘prime developer’ for the project which would have Rs 2,300 crore worth indigenous component.
The missile, to replace the aging Russian Pechora missiles, would be a highly sophisticated surface-to-air missile that can provide protection to a ground installation against a variety of threats, including an incoming missile.
The initial plan is to make 18 firing units that would include missiles, at least three launchers, and a command and control centre.
It would have radars for acquisition and guidance. The medium range SAM would be capable of engaging multiple targets and would be a “robust area defence system”, sources said.
has something been changed in this report? When i first saw it, i am sure it say DRDO would be “prime contractor” not “prime developer”
India, Israel to Jointly Develop Medium Range Missiles
(Source: ddi Indian Government news; issued July 13, 2007)
India will jointly develop and co-produce a new generation of medium range surface-to-air missiles with Israel to secure the country’s strategic assets from growing threats posed by aerial attacks and the proliferation of missiles in the region.
The setting up of a joint venture for producing the missiles at an estimated cost of Rs 10,000 crore (2.5 billion dollars) was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security, which met in New Delhi on Thursday under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
According to highly placed defence sources, the new generation missile with the capability of hitting aerial targets 70 km away would be developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Indian Air Force and Israel Aerospace Industries.
The DRDO will be the “prime contractor” for the project, which will have an indegenious component of Rs 2,300 crore.
The new generation missile will replace the IAF’s ageing Russian-made Pechora missiles.
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