If they can get the A-400M out in a year or so it certainly has more export potential that C-17.Why would anyone want to kill it for C-17??
Thanks shalav. I hate to say this but I hope the commies scuttle this deal as well. For $ 1 bil we should be able to pick up 16-18 C-130 class a/c’s why the hell does the IAF/IA need this junk?
The rafale M is even costlier than Rafale C. The can probably buy 18-20 though.
LOL Looks like Rafale has metamorphosed into Raptor. For 2.2 bil I doubt they would get 36 Rafales. Su-30MKB or 40 odd Mirages or Mig35 is definite possibility.
Why would USAF be stupid enough to order more F-15’s? This could be god sent opportunity to increase the order for raptor’s to 300.
Mig seems intent on spoiling its reputation. Why couldn’t they build new SMT’s? At this rate They will have very little orders other than some upgrades.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=3149759&C=airwar
Indian AF Faults Fighter Pact With Russia
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
NEW DELHI — Senior Indian Air Force officials say they are finding holes in the agreement their government signed Oct. 18 with Russia for joint production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft.
The Air Force prefers to get involved in the project from the beginning of the design stage, but the Russians say the design of the proposed fifth-generation aircraft is frozen, Air Force sources said.
Being involved from the start would allow the Air Force to introduce its own requirements into the design process and to become familiar with the design of the aircraft they propose to fly, a senior service official said.
Another Air Force official agreed, noting that so far, even the service’s Staff Qualitative Requirements have not been finalized.
In addition, the Air Force says India should not contribute more than $2 billion to the joint project, but the proposed deal calls for an Indian contribution of about $5 billion — half of the estimated $10 billion cost, according to Air Force officials.
No details have yet been released as to how many aircraft would be built for India and Russia through the agreement.
A diplomat with the Russian Embassy here said the two governments have signed the fifth-generation fighter agreement, but Indian state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau have yet to sign.
The first prototype of the aircraft is projected to be test-flown by 2015, the diplomat said.
“We are willing to participate in the fifth-generation aircraft, but we will invest only $2 billion on our side in the development of the fighter,” a senior HAL official said.
India and Russia signed the intergovernmental agreement to jointly develop and produce the futuristic, multirole stealth fighter, based on Sukhoi’s super-secret PAK-FA project, in Moscow on Oct. 18.
Indian Air Force officials said the aircraft will be a variant of the T-50 aircraft from Sukhoi.
However, the Air Force has already committed about $6 billion to acquire the Sukhoi Su-30 MKI and should not buy more than one type of Sukhoi aircraft, said Surya Pal Singh, a retired Air Force commodore. India is buying 40 Su-30 MKIs, and HAL will build another 140 under license in India.
India also was offered a variant of the MiG aircraft for the fifth-generation fighter project. It is still not clear how Sukhoi was selected.
The Russians, for lack of funds, have wanted to collaborate with India on the fifth-generation aircraft. The fighter will be flown by both the Russian and Indian Air Forces.
Thanks for the pdf. So the Rafale-C is much cheaper than Typhoon.
CAn someone tell me what is added to the 1960’s vintage propeller driven crap that they cost us $ 160 million a piece??:eek: . Can’t the Special forces just wait for MTA and get maybe 1 whole squardon for that price??
What is the unit cost of typhoon when compared with rafale? Wiki gives Rafale at euro 47 million while typhoon is quoted at 88 nillion.
PAF doesn’t operate helis only PA does.
Yes I do remember selex or something being mentioned, but I doubt PAF is in any state to procure them soon given the current political and economic scenario. I guess the decision was taken after reports of LCA with El-2052 started circulating on the forums.
Not IAF news directly but related.
HAL to supply components for 300 Su-30 fighters to Russia
Star, the J-10 has not been seen outside china. So realistically no one can say how good it would be in BVR against Su-30. Ofcourse I don’t believe the chinese claims of J-10 beating Su-30 either but in the absence of any direct evidence it is prudent not to make any assumptions. The range of Su-30 is 3200 KM if I am not mistaken.
PAF does seem desperate not to get stuck with chinese avionics. What all radars are they considering? Griffo, RC400 any other european radar? Won’t integrating chinese missiles be an issue on european radars?