Sorry if I sounded arrogant, it was just frustration not arrogance. Yes IN will have to relearn but thats like learning to drive a mobike after learning a bicycle not learning to drive a mobike without any cycle balance. Also I don’t buy you can learn by watching bit. Then IN pilots wouldn’t have to go to US to learn they could simply visit as tourists and gawk. You also believe it will take 2 decades for chinese to come up with a decent carrier of any sort. In this 2 decades I can see ADS-1 and 2 being commisioned. As long as ADS-2 is bigger close to 60k tonne. I have no problems. No I don’t believe ADS-2 would be only 45-50 K-tonne. That would make no sense at all. IN also has other priorities like learning how to operate the trenton and building new LHD’s (hopefully Mistral) and to get the new Destroyers and frigates faster not to mention the secretive ATV.

ADS-2, your funny, that is decades away. The IN has stated that it wants 3 carriers and that is regarded as a long term objective and includes the two current ADS and the Gorschkov, there even seems to be confusion over whether there will be 2 ADS to start with. If there were to be an ADS-2 it would likely be just an improvement of the original and only about 50k. Seeing as all this is entirely hypotheticalits not even worth talking about in this thread.

Ofcourse it is atleat 15-20 years away from being commissioned. You don’t think IN will throw away the Mig-29K’s in just 10 years do you? If you remember correctly ADS-1 was supposed to be 24 K-tonne then increased to 32 K-tonne and finally to 38K-tonne. I am sure IN will increase the ADS-2 similarly taking into account the changing scenarios. I am expectly a 60+ K tonne ship which is close to 70K tonne fully loaded. When IN bought Harriers they were pretty much outdated so how exactly is Mig-29K based on the new Mig-29M2 not good enough? Let china first learn to operate a carrier, that itself is decades away.
Someone came up with a ridiculous idea of buying an old tarawa class. The difference is it has been used for almost 30 years and despite repairs will only have a life of 20 years left. Not to mention the hassle of converting it to a carrier. In comparision Gorky will have more than 30-35 years left in it.
Second ADS-1,2 with italy’s help is better than china hoping to build a carrier by buying a rusting heap like varayag or WW-2 antique carrier like HMS Melbourne 😀 . Cavour is 26k Tonne if I am not mistaken.

What would be the penalty of F-18 E/F or Rafale taking off conventionally? I am sure all the stated range and payload figures would go for a six. If F-18E/F could be carried aboard why not Su-33? Just use the same avionics as the MKI to get a kick-ass fighter. The only advantage over Su-33 is perhaps the fact that the wingspan is a meter smaller so gives slightly larger clearance while taking off. I don’t see IN changing the AC configuration till ADS-2 comes out , hopefully 70K-Ton fully loaded.

An y chance El/M-2248 would be used to upgrade the existing delhi class destroyers along with brahmos?

Because India and US or India and France do not have a agreement not to sell military technology to pakistan. India and russia do. Why else did russia insist on an agreement with china that did not allow them to sell the russian engine to third parties? If china could make a jet own its own good enough to put in FC-1 pakistan wouldn’t be in this soup now , would they?

No Russia will not let china export Rd-93 to pakistan. Its very obvious and like rafale’s for plan thread some people are delusional and clutching at straws. Looks like the indigenous engine is not ready to be exported yet. China will not cancel its deals with russia simply because no one else will sell them anything.

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/10/29/top6.htm

PNS Zulifquar decommissioned by Pakistan Navy
‘Pakistan Times’ Sindh Bureau

KARACHI: Pakistan Navy Saturday decommissioned one of its British origin frigates, PNS Zulfiquar.

An ISPR (Navy) press release issued here said that a ceremony to pay homage to its exceptional and prolonged services was held at Pakistan Navy Dockyard this morning.

Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Vice Admiral Mohammad Haroon, who has also served as Commanding Officer of the ship, was the chief guest on the occasion.

A large number of officers and men from Destroyer Squadron also attended the ceremony.

Speaking on the occasion, the chief guest said despite phasing out of this frigate, the Destroyer Squadron of Pakistan Navy is capable of generating a forceful deterrence.

He said the procurement of F-22 P frigates from China in near future, would further add to the fighting punch of PN fleet.

Admiral Haroon paid rich tribute to the services of Pakistan Navy Destroyer Squadron.

He also acknowledged the approach and resolve of the government to make Pakistan Navy a strong maritime force well equipped with the modern-day platforms and weaponry.

PNS Zulfiquar, formerly a British frigate HMS Appollo, was commissioned in Pakistan Navy in October 1988.

During its 18 years service, the ship remained a potent punch of Pakistan Navy Fleet.●