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  • in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2352850
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    EADS poised to win Air Force tanker contest, analyst says

    “Boeing has lost this competition,” Thompson said, citing conversations with Boeing executives. “The only question now is whether they choose to protest the award, and I’m not sure they will.”

    . . .

    Thompson, who has advocated for Boeing in the tanker contest, said Friday that he spoke to Boeing officials close to the competition. He said that, after reviewing the data, they concluded that EADS held a substantial edge in the Air Force’s assessment.

    “Basically they saw how they stacked up in the warfighting effectiveness analysis, and they did not stack up well,” Thompson said. “The Air Force continues to favor the larger plane” offered by EADS.

    . . .

    Thompson said Boeing had some objections to the way the Air Force structured the analysis, but that the company’s greater concern was a “pattern of bias” that appeared to skew the competition in favor of EADS.

    A chief complaint, he said, was the Air Force’s decision to exclude as a factor in the competition a recent ruling by the World Trade Organization that Airbus received illegal subsidies from European governments.

    But Thompson said Boeing may have a difficult time proving – for a second time – that the tanker competition was flawed.

    “In the first round, the errors were so fundamental and obvious,” he said. “The pattern is much more subtle this time.”

    given the emphasis on price, how can Boeing possibly conclude they’re out unless they know what EADS is bidding?

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2353177
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    Does the US Embassy know something i don’t?

    This is an old cable from back when there were reports that the Rafale had been booted.

    As you can see, they were just going by news reports and were asking for more info on it

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2353468
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    But wait a moment! Wasn’t there a severe technical restriction for building a tanker from the “plastic structured” 787?

    I have seen this rumor several times but I’ve never found anything definitive one way or the other

    Wasn’t that the reaL REASON FOR KEEPING THE 767 LINE OPEN WAY BEYOND IT WAS COMMERCIALY REASONABLE?

    nah, back when they first developed the tanker in 2001, the 767 was the only available option and since then they’ve invested a lot of money and effort in developing the tanker variant (think Italian WARPs). To choose a different plane at this point would:

    1. dramatically increase price (the 787 costs more than the 767 to begin with plus all the tanker development would have to be done over)

    2. dramatically increase risk and make it unlikely to meet delivery deadlines

    Not to mention the 787 is so far behind schedule, they cannot afford to siphon off ANY frames from commercial clients.

    even if the 787 was perfectly suited for being a tanker, there is no way Boeing would switch to it.

    this is also the reason that the KC-777 was always a red herring. Boeing was NEVER going to offer that

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2354209
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    Boeing keeps protest options open as KC-X questions linger

    Boeing wants answers to “unresolved questions” before moving beyond a US Air Force blunder that sent proposal data to the wrong bidding teams for the KC-X tanker contract, the company says.

    No option – including filing a protest – has been ruled out after Boeing learned that the USAF error allowed EADS North America access to a document containing proposal data.

    “We’re still reviewing what happened,” the company says. “We’re taking a hard look at the situation and implications. There are still some unresolved questions that we need to have answers for.”

    The USAF initially said an investigation showed no proprietary data had been compromised on either side, but acknowledged on 1 December that one company accessed a computer file containing its competitors’ data.

    EADS has not denied that its employees gained access to the file, but says the compact disc was secured “the minute” the error was realised.

    Boeing, however, says two employees who received the compact disc recognised the problem before opening the file.

    After inserting the disc into a classified laptop computer, the employees saw that the file name included an unexpected four characters – “K30B”. EADS markets the US tanker version of the Airbus A330-200 as the KC-45, but previously advertised the aircraft as the KC-30B.

    The employees ejected the disc and called security, the company says. As the security team stored the disc in a sealed location, the employees notified the USAF of the potential error.

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2354691
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    The appropriate action would be if USAF demanded that competitor data be returned immediately and any personnel who accessed the data be removed from the tanker program and sequestered until the competition was finished.

    The problem is that that’s an unenforceable demand.

    Two old buddies meet at a bar after work and one slips important data to the other. Who can prove that happened? Or, more importantly, that DIDN’T happen?

    B will always be suspicious that the data managed to squirrel its way back inside the building unless both sides have free and open access to the same data

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2354701
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    Air Force scrambled to fix tanker information mix-up

    When Boeing tanker-team officials got the errant disk last month, they recognized from the labeling that the disk was intended for EADS, and did not open it.

    But their EADS counterparts did open the disk they received and looked at a spreadsheet of data on the mission performance of the Boeing 767 tanker, Air Force Col. Les Kodlick confirmed Tuesday.

    Only afterward did the EADS reviewers realize the error. They then contacted the Air Force and returned the disk.

    EADS opened Boeing’s spreadsheet. Boeing did not look at the EADS spreadsheet,” said Kodlick.

    To ensure that neither side could claim bias, he said, the Air Force then sent the corresponding spreadsheet data on EADS’ Airbus A330 tanker to Boeing and gave EADS back the spreadsheet on the Boeing tanker.

    . . .

    The disks sent to each manufacturer contained other files, but the Air Force believes only the performance analysis spreadsheet was accessed.

    Kodlick said that an independent forensic computer analysis was done to confirm exactly what data files Boeing and EADS had viewed.

    . . .

    Boeing has requested access to the outcome of that analysis, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. That suggests Boeing is gathering all information that might be relevant to any protest of the eventual outcome.

    . . .

    Each disk contained an Air Force spreadsheet quantifying the effectiveness of one proposed tanker in a series of mission simulations.

    . . .

    An Air Force analysis of the Boeing 767’s performance as a tanker is arguably even more valuable to EADS than a proprietary Boeing analysis. Likewise, the Air Force analysis of the A330 is likely s more valuable to Boeing than an EADS self-assessment.

    A crucial question is whether the leaked information could affect the final pricing of the airplanes. Kodlick reiterated the spreadsheet did not include “any offer or proposed pricing.”

    . . .

    Knowing this cost data could factor into an adjustment of the offering price still ahead in the contest’s final stages.

    But the Air Force believes that since each company now has the other’s data, that doesn’t matter.

    “Each offerer has the same information, so each could do the same thing” in weighing any price adjustment, said Kodlick. “It’s a level playing field.”

    Here’s the interpretation from Zeke at A.net

    The USAF did not release any information about either bid to their competitors. What they inadvertently released is something that is actually far more valuable. They release the USAF interpretation of the data provided by the vendors as the input matrix to the IFARA analysis.

    The input matrix will actually allow the vendors to run IFARA simulations using the same input dataset that the USAF is using. The vendors can also compare how the USAF interpreted their propriety data to derive the USAF IFARA matrix.

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2360904
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    maybe KC-X truly is cursed?

    USAF Gaffe Roils Tanker Contest

    Earlier this month, the U.S. Air Force sent letters to rival planemakers about their bids for the $35 billion-dollar tanker contest – but it mixed them up, delivering its technical assessment of Boeing’s bid to EADS, and vice versa.

    . . .

    Kodlick said the service is analyzing the information that was inadvertently disclosed and has taken steps to ensure that both competitors have had equal access to the same information.

    Sources said each firm received the Integrated Fleet Aerial Refueling Assessments (IFARA) of the other’s bid.

    . . .

    “If competitive evaluations were sent to the wrong companies, then it seriously impairs the fairness of the acquisition process and would be the basis for a future protest,” said Loren Thompson

    😮

    how in the world do you let something like that happen?

    Another senior former Pentagon official said, “It’s certainly an embarrassment for the Air Force, but if the bidding is done and there is no adjustment needed to the bids, it’s not the end of the world.”

    and what if adjustment is needed?

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2363438
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    It is really sad to see the desparate situation Dassault is in..They need the President of France to act as interim Sales Manager ..

    Large weapon sales are as diplomatic as they are technical, don’t see a problem with that.

    On the other hand France has to be getting VERY frustrated that the Brazilians keep delaying and delaying and delaying a deal they KNOW they’ve won just to extract a slightly better price.

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2364208
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    TRANSCRIPT: Own the Sky author on the tragedy of KC-X

    some more background about the history of KC-X and how it because such a personal feud

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2365173
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    has there ever been a more telegraphed decision in the history of defense procurement?

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2377943
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    Defense news says that Lula will decide on the fighter soon with Joabim and Kurt Russell.

    think its going to be Rafale?

    He will announce that Brazil is the newest F-35 partner

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2378454
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    KC-X, Just Let it Happen Already

    Aboulafia who points out that the Republican takeover might embolden outgoing House Appropriations defense subcommittee chairman Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., in his pro-Boeing fights since he won’t hold the powerful chairmanship — which I’ve heard some speculate caused him to rein in his blatant support for Boeing – much longer.

    “Dicks never did much to disguise his pro-Boeing intentions and he may get even more pro-Boeing, . . . And since neither side has a lock on governmental power, this election paves the way for more KC-X gridlock.”

    Meanwhile, Lexington Institute analyst Loren Thompson . . . says that Dicks’ loss of the chairmanship will hurt the Chicago-based company.

    . . .

    Iris Independent Research’s Rebecca Grant, who last month released a study on KC-X that seemed to favor a larger jet with more fuel offload capacity (sound like EADS’ KC-45, anyone?), expects “a tussle between key defense Republicans on the House side.”

    Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., “came on strong for a U.S. plane with U.S. jobs, while presumptive HASC Chair, Buck McKeon [R-Calif.] has been all about running a fair competition,” Grant said.

    “The real questions is whether Dem or GOP members would try to end-run an award to EADS,” Grant added. “For example, DoD has ruled out considering the twin World Trade Organization cases in its evaluation of KC-X bids. Could Congress pass a law demanding exploration of price subsidy allegations?

    . . .

    Still, “all these sound far-fetched despite emotions running high at times on KC-X,” Grant admits. “Altering the KC-X competition now or blocking an award to EADS if that happens would take a lot of energy from a new House Republican majority focused on bigger issues.”

    in reply to: Boeing KC-X Victory (Merged) #2378918
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    history of the KC-X program

    http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/17244.html

    lots of interesting behind-the-scenes stuff

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion V #2379010
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    No, there are many other ways.

    Intelligence sharing
    basing rights
    supply routes
    cross border liason

    US will not risk a smooth Afghan withdrawl over this….

    in which case the US would cut off their weapon supply . . .

    Pakistan is not in a strong position to be making demands about our policies with India

    in reply to: MMRCA News And Discussion V #2379051
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    Pakistan would never accept F-35s being delivered by the US to India.
    As long as US needs Pakistan, you can be assured a F-35 sale will nevr happen.

    What are they going to do? Refuse the free weapons we’re giving them 😆

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