NG & EADS together threatened not to bid if solicitation criteria were not changed. BOTH pulled out.
Source?
yeah, that’s what I thought . . .
No he is not. EADS & NG were partners & EADS was 100% behind the threats to not bid unless the solicitation criteria were altered to accomodate their otherwise noncompetative platform.
EADS decided to bid despite no change to the RFP.
So, what were you talking about again?
But they can play the same game as EADS when they threatened not to bid…twice.
You’re confusing EADS and NG
Facts: As reported by McClatchy News service 4-20-2010
-The USAF extended the bid deadline by 60 days to allow EADS to submit a bid.
-The Pentagon modified procurement rules that would have barred EADS from having access to sensitive communications equipment.
-The Pentagon decided to waive duties that would have applied to parts EADS would import to the United States.It seems like the Pentagon is bending over backwards to accomodate EADS and encourage a heated competition.
If Rep. Dicks is upset, that’s probably why.
FACT: If Dicks hadn’t threatened all of EADS potential partners, such steps wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place
He’s not a Pentagon or procument official. Just a political hack.
DO YOU REALLY EXPECT HIM TO BE THRILLED WITH A COMPETING CONTRACTOR? :rolleyes:
he’s also CHAIRMAN of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee
At that level, you ARE expected put your partisanship to the side to best represent the interests of the COUNTRY
he certainly isn’t expected to use his position to issue veiled threats against those who would compete against his hometown team
if he can’t control himself, then maybe he isn’t the right person for the job
there is no RIGHT to be a chair, if he can’t conduct himself with dignity, perhaps it’s time to replace him with someone who can
Boeing’s response
http://empirestatefx.com/airtravel/eads-to-re-enter-tanker-competition/
Only Boeing can produce a tanker that will meet the Air Force’s 372 requirements and promise delivery of a combat-ready, safe and survivable tanker that is the most capable for the warfighter, the lowest cost for the taxpayer, and backed by Boeing’s proven U.S. work force.
guess what the only Boeing-unique statement was
“While we are disappointed in the bid submission delay, we hope for a fair and transparent competition free of any additional changes intended to accommodate a non-U.S. prime contractor.
“We also remain deeply concerned about the ability of a heavily subsidized Airbus/EADS to accept levels of financial risk that a commercial company such as Boeing cannot. We regret that these concerns will not be addressed in the bid evaluation, even when the U.S. government has proven in a world court that those subsidies are illegal and directly distort competition between Airbus and Boeing.”
Boeing will build the NewGen Tanker with a low-risk approach to manufacturing that relies on existing Boeing facilities
which is kinda funny considering they’re in the process of completely redoing the 767 assembly line to clear space for the 787
It’s Official: EADS Bids For KC-X
EADS North America will pursue the tanker bid on its own, acting as prime and bringing in some 200 suppliers when it bids on the tanker.
Brazil To Open Inquiry Into Jet Fighter Deal
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4572525&c=AIR&s=TOP
Brazilian prosecutors have agreed to open an inquiry into a multi-billion-dollar tender pitting France, the United States and Sweden to supply the Latin American nation with modern fighter jets.
A prosecution source told AFP on April 7 that prosecutor Jose Alfredo de Paulo Silva approved the request from a Brazilian individual who argued the preference for France’s Rafale was against “economic principles.”
it was only after altering the data so that enough KC-30s could operate in theater to do so was it able to obtain a score.
sounds like someone is scared to provide their sources
Also, the KC-767AT has the same fuel capacity as the KC-135R yet if you believe the final IFARA scores (which I don’t) 19 KC-767AT could do the job of 34 KC-135R & despite its greater fuel capacity it would take 18 KC-30.
so you’re saying IFARA proves the KC-30 is more capable than the KC-767?
I already have
nope, you never have
the only person ‘waisting’ people’s time here is the person who REFUSES to backup their arguments
if you’re too lazy to provide your sources, then don’t bother posting the argument
on the other hand we know you can’t really provide your sources because it would show what a sham your arguments are
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4571037&c=AIR&s=TOP
EADS Talking With L-3 as Potential KC-X Supplier
EADS North America is talking with L-3 Communications about a potential role as a “key supplier” if the European defense giant bids for the U.S. Air Force’s $35 billion KC-X contract.
The European company “will hopefully be working” with L-3’s mission integration group on a “major program,” according to an April 6 company e-mail. A copy was obtained by Defense News.
Quite the opposite. IFARA proves my point.
And up is down, yes is no, and war is peace
Only after altering the model data so that the KC-30 could complete the evaluation missions.
Come back when you can bother to document your claims.
Oh wait, that would disrupt your gameplan to bother with such trifling details.
A price award is pretty much unprotestable unless you can show that the price by the winner was incorrect or fraudulent (“Their price did not include wings”).
or that it didn’t meet the requirements
Still confusing capacity with capability I see.
Still ignoring the plain results of IFARA I see.
Actually…IFARA proved that a fleet of KC-30 is not even capable of doing the a job the KC-135R fleet has done without major upgrading of the current ifrastructure.
Um, what?
1.0 is defined as the effectiveness of the KC-135
KC-30 was well above 1.0
And again (as even irtusk has the intellectual honest to admit) the NG/EADS KC-30 requires developement as well so (if you were intellectually honest) would have to call the NG/EADS tanker a paper tanker as well.
OK, I see what you’re trying to get at.
Basically you’re trying to pretend that since the KC-30 isn’t 100% complete, it is no different than the KC-767.
Which is a load of horse manure and you should be intellectually honest enough to admit that there is a SIGNIFICANT risk gap between the two programs.
KC-30 has to add new stuff to an existing airframe. KC-767 has to do that PLUS create a new airframe out of a mishmash of parts (hence the ‘paper airplane’ part)
KC-30 is a paper tanker based off a real airplane
KC-767 is a paper tanker based off a paper airplane
Only a Boeing lackey could fail to see the difference
Do not get me wrong, in general I think that the KC-30 is the better airframe, but for the needs the USAF it is not. The needs are tailor made for the KC767 if you want to say it that way.
again, I appreciate your armchair analysis, but the IFARA score represents a far more sophisticated analysis and it says the KC-30 works better
Just the fact that they have not put much emphasis of the cargo capability of the KC-30. But the USAF does not seem to want that.
they did until they stuck their political finger in the wind and realized they had better craft a rfp that selected the KC-767 if they ever wanted to have a new tanker at all