F16A vs FA18C/D + E/F at the same altitude with the same speeds is apples vs oranges?

it is when the loadout isn’t the same

and it’s especially funny when you have no idea what loadout the guy is talking about when comparing to the Hornet in the first place.

Comparing unknowns to unknowns, yeah, that’s useful . . .

You do know what instantaneous turn rate is, right?

Except the quote isn’t talking about instantaneous turn rates, so what are YOU talking about?

Do you see this? The F35C with the best turning capability has a cap for instantaneous turns that is the yellow dotted line.

Would you please refrain from making up stuff that you obviously have no clue about?

Still congruent with both sources.

only if you stetch and twist and strain his plain meaning to fit your preconceived notions

Sorry, my quote directly contradicts yours and you have no basis to assume yours is the correct one.

Thanks for the update though. Now I have 3 sources that say the same thing.

LOLOLOL

I think I found one

Think again

I think you are wrong, unless of course you are a pilot that has experience from both the F35B and FA18.

Selective quoting at it’s best.

Plenty of pilots say it’s very similar to a clean F-16

Why don’t you use those quotes? That’s right, it doesn’t fit your agenda.

At the same time the FA18C and E are lagging in the turn performance. Thats where the F35B and C are when it comes to dogfighting performance. The F35A is slightly better and will stay under the F16As performance.

If you believe that I have some lovely land in Florida to sell you . . .

Also hilarious that you’re using such obsolete data for your comparison.

Not matched by the F15 you mean?

yes

Still, thats what its capable of.

false, no F-15 flying today can reach M2.5

Just like the mach 1,65 is a white elephant for the F35.

false, most if not all the F-35s currently flying can reach M1.6

It is important to understand where the M1.6 limit comes from. It is NOT power-limited, it is limited by the aerodynamic heating of the various components of the plane. The F-35 has no problem reaching M1.6, they just dare not take it faster or they might suffer serious damage.

In fact they did suffer damage from aerodynamic heating on the first flight to go past M1.0 so that component had to be redesigned.

Nice speculations, the F15SE however is having very similar specs to the Strike Eagle.

So you think Boeing can add conformal weapons bays and fuel tanks plus stealth treatments with zero aerodynamic or weight penalty?

What are they made out of? Magic pixie dust?

Are you serious about comparing the F35 to the F15 in WVR, speed and handling? Did you see the chart i posted and did you see what your own source said? The F15, as I and your sources said, is faster and more agile than the F35.

And as I said, that chart is obsolete. It is based off the original clean F-15A which has no relationship to the performance of today’s heavily loaded F-15E and even more heavily loaded Stealth Eagle

Well, if you are comparing a fully loaded F16 to a clean F35 then of course the F35 should have better handling, speed, climb etc.

No, comparing a combat-loaded F-16 with a combat-loaded F-35

In the real world, F-35 also get laden down when carrying ammo,
so its a moot point.

No, that’s what they were saying, an F-35 with a full internal load of fuel and ammo performs similarly to a clean F-16

At speeds around M1 and high alt., drag from 4 amraams will at most make 1% difference

Don’t forget the external fuel tanks they always fly with

F15SE gives great range, versatility, agility + speed that the F35 can’t keep up with (mach 2,5 vs mach 1,6).

The F-15SE can’t go Mach 2 much less Mach 2.5

Plus it is in no way more agile than the F-35.

The C-5M might be able to fly from CONUS to the Stans non-stop but she can’t come back on the same tank. Such direct-to-objective missions are pure peace-time stunts.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123297606

Dow, who’s been a C-5 maintainer for more than 10 years, was among 14 aircrew members who took a C-5M on the Air Force’s first direct delivery airlift mission through the Arctic Circle from the United States to Afghanistan in 2011. On the 14-hour-plus flight to Afghanistan, the C-5M carried cargo for the Operation Enduring Freedom mission and “proved a strategic direct delivery concept.”

On its way back, the same C-5M was also refilled with cargo from Kyrgyzstan, Southwest Asia and Western Europe that needed to be returned to the U.S. — making efficient use of nearly all the 270,000 pounds of cargo capacity in the plane.