irtuskA fantastic scenario, practically without flaws.
talk about fantastic scenarios!
If the missiles active seekers can get a lock on against present and future EW systems or the enemy lacks MAWS that can use lasers to fry a possible future passive IR seeker.
so . . . basically you’re saying that, theoretically, if the F-35’s missiles were ineffective, then the F-35 would be ineffective?
well no kidding sherlock, but that’s hardly a limitation of the F-35
it doesn’t matter what plane you have if your missiles don’t work
why don’t we turn it around?
what if the F-35 has jammers and lasers that render all opponent’s missiles useless?
that is the far more likely scenario . . .
If the JSF stealthy features work as advertised against future radars, including AEW&C and/or ground radars.
future radars are also future targets
that might be an issue when fighting over hostile territory
however fighters themselves are basically limited to X-band (and don’t give me that conformal L-band garbage), where the F-35 is optimized
If it can use its own radar without revealing its position
one F-35 at stand-off ranges acting as mini-awacs transmitting targetting data to the others
that doesn’t work the other way around because your sukhoi won’t see anything on their scopes even when they are transmitting
not to mention the US is the world leader in LPI
If it can quickly enough identify the targets as hostile.
well it has the most advanced sensor suite in the world, so i would have to say . . . yes
If it has enough missiles to take down all hostiles before getting into visual range
1. if the enemy doesn’t know where you are, they never can get into range
2. WVR the superior situational awareness of the F-35 (DAS and friends) makes it the deadliest dogfighter of them all
If it can get to and stay in the fight without tankers or it can defend those tankers.
the F-35 has great range
If it is enough of them to keep enough presence in the air during an attack.
i’m not sure how that is different from any other plane. if you’re outnumbered 20 to 1, it’s going to be a bad day no matter what you’re flying
irtuskIt is not runway length, but PCN…
Again, the infamous RAND ‘Analysis of Alternatives’ & CAS/EADS-NA study (I even posted the figure showing it) both stated such!
i’m sorry, all facts have a context, and when you refuse to share the context, your credibility is nonexistent
irtuskbut pfcem even managed to conclude, check this out >>>, that 767 has higher fuel offload than 30<<< LOL, in spite official documents which put ’30 some 36,000lbs in front of 767.
I mean this is kind of argument I can’t parry and I doubt not even EADS’ constructors can, neither. đ
except that even his cherry-picked charts show nothing of the sort
for all runway lengths shown, KC-30 > KC-767
you can try to extrapolate some sort of crossover point, but those graphs weren’t linear so that’s a very dangerous thing to do
irtuskEADS and Boeing both have a number of airframes (of varying ages) which might be better suited for conversion to the role
not really
Neither finalised on having drogues or not
they’ll both have drogues
irtuskthere is nothing in the document that has not been stated by others.
then why are you scared to post it?
irtuskF-35 will never be markedly superior to any counterpart of its era, especially not in A-A. Get used to that..
it will crush any super flanker you want to throw at it
irtusk7. Can you name anything wrong in his analysis?
Well I’ll mention a few
In several countries there are new budget constraints
this is a 30-year program, to look at budget constraints in the middle of one of the worst global downturns in recent memory is next to meaningless to the long-term prospects for the program
In 2008 Turkey got parliamentary approval to start negotations about the purchase of 100 F-35As.
situations change
Turkey to possibly buy 20 more F-35 fighters
Turkey is considering raising the number of new generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, or JSF, Lightning II aircraft it plans to buy from 100 to 120
Granted this isn’t final, but it’s a 20% swing in the one month since the report has been released.
As tensions around the world rise, especially in the mideast and around China, expect orders to rise also
will turn the F-35 into a partly obsolete post-Cold War concept before becoming operational
oh puh-lease!
what better plane will be available before the F-35 becomes operational?
it will be markedly superior to everything out there except the F-22
he talks about drones and OA-X type planes, and sure they have their place, but they do NOT replace fighters any more than C-17s replace fighters
as far as credible air-superiority UCAVs, those are even farther away than 6th gen which he mentions next:
the long, near 20 year, period between start of the program Start 1996 and start of full scale production in 2016
. . .
future need of 6th generation aircraft in the late 2020s
what makes him think 6th gen will be developed any quicker?
no country is really working on 6th gen yet, but even if they start in 5 years, 20 years out will put you nearly to 2035
India, Taiwan and Thailand could be ruled out with a near 100% certainty at that moment.
I would not be so quick to rule out India
They won’t purchase immediately, but after it’s in service and they see the benefits, i could easily see them placing a large order
Currently their whole FGFA/MCA and even their LCA program is kind of muddled.
Neglecting also the steady development of an own Asian fighter industry in India, Japan and South Korea.
what fighter industry? India can’t even do a 3rd/4th gen LCA without help, Japan’s F-2 started with an F-16 base and Korea scaled back KF-X from 5th gen to 4th gen and is still in serious trouble. He talks about the FA50, but sorry, that’s not even in the same league.
sure they’ll want (and get) some local assembly, but creating a competing product? not likely
finally there is history
when the F-16 program was starting, what would a ‘market analysis’ have said about possible sales? Exactly, no where close to the truth!
i think the F-35 is in a similar situation, put out a quality, affordable product and the world will beat a path to your door
even if you don’t know exactly who the buyers will be over the next 30 years, you know that you have a unique product no one can match for a long time to come
irtuskAnd here I thought everybody was saying we needed the F136 because it was perfect. :diablo:
precisely because NO engine is perfect that it is good to have an alternative
and oh yeah, competition to help price and responsiveness
irtuskstory updated with more detailed info:
During the planned routine borescope inspection after completion of testing on Oct 4, Fighter Engine Team found several High Pressure Turbine Rotor (HPT) blades with impact damage on Ground Test Engine 005 (second SDD ground test motor). Further inspections revealed Stages 1, 2, & 3 of the Low Pressure Turbine (LPT) rotor also sustained impact damage on the leading edges of several blades. During borescope of the Combustor/Diffuser/Nozzle (CDN) assembly, 2 combustor diffuser inner panels were found with distress and missing material.
irtuskNo.
I have already posted the relavant figures from it. The bulk of the document is pretty much “bigger is better” EADS/KC-30 Kool-Aid which ignores the realities of tanker operations.
lol, so basically you’re afraid that if people saw the full uncensored document, they would realize how full of it you are
let me translate: ‘relevant figures’ = ‘only parts that could even slightly be interpreted as being positive for the KC-767’
your dishonesty is truly boundless
if the other information in the document is wrong, you shouldn’t have any problem shooting it down . . . right?
irtuskso were you going to post that file pfcem?
irtuskâDings and Nicksâ Shut F136 Down
The companies performed a boroscope inspection and âfound dings and nicks on the turbine blades. At the time of the shutdown, the engine was running normally with no signs of issues,â they said.
The companies decided a âthoroughâ engine inspection was warranted. Kennedy and McLaren added that there âwas no sign of damage in the compressor or fan.â
irtuskLevin Happy to Lose on Alternate JSF Engine
Those negotiations concluded overnight, and as soon as both chambers pass the agreement, Congress looks set to begin trying to thread the veto needle by authorizing and appropriating for the F136 as long as it doesnât come out of the greater JSF programâs expense. Assuming appropriators go along with the outside-JSF-funding stipulation â and they would be asking for trouble if they donât, at this point â we might just have seen the climax of JSF engine haggling until a formal competition mid-next decade decides who really has the better, cheaper engine.
irtuskhey pfcem, if you have trouble uploading that file to mediafire just let me know and i’ll walk you through it or suggest a different host
irtuskabove story has been updated with comments from PW
Pratt & Whitney took a defiant stand. âThis bill is not yet complete. The Administrationâs reaction might still influence the outcome,â said company spokesman Jay DeFrank.
and GE
âWe havenât been formally notified by the conferees, but their support for completing the F136 engine development would be a victory for competition and a strong endorsement for real defense acquisition reform,â said spokesman Rick Kennedy.
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