@ Nhampton:……….. :rolleyes:
I think he was saying, “We saved your ass in WW2 etc..” A rather
different topic to be frank and I’m sure you agree.
Some people find it hard to think that it was a joint effort during WW2, I wouldn’t give it a second thought too, but hey I like say something & its a fact, if we had lost the Battle Of Britain then our fellow American & Canadian friends wouldn’t have been able to make a stand on British soil, period, thinking back at a lesson we had at school called “History”. So really, we saved YOUR ass too just as everyone else did for eachother that was on our side! Look it up!
I wouldn’t give that type of comment a second thought here, especially, and I’m sure you will agree, from someone like him. 😉
Well I’m still waiting for him to come up with some reliable proof of why he thinks the Typhoon is obsolete that he claimed it to be on a particular thread not so long ago…Kinda has problems finding reasons & claiming such things I’m sure a lot have noticed by now.
The whole MMRCA contender are looking more nd more ToT related as news ticking in.
If the latest report on the Russian radar ToT are true, then this MMRCA competition are just for show.. its bye bye Euro/US, hello Mig RAC.:diablo:Thanks
If ToT is important to India then it could go in favour of the Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen & Mig, and it could be a case of; Bye-bye F-18 & F-16, thanks but no thanks. IMO full ToT would be one of, if not the main reason to buying a particular aircraft.
So why mention it?
The “probably not” bit was just a poor attempt at humour/sarcasm, (in a harmless fun way of course) because you know, some “countries” can’t do anything wrong…If you know what I mean…
No matter. 😀
Nobody has ever MADE the Europeans buy from the US. If they have I’d like to see the evidence.
What about the Lockheed Martin bribes to West Germany, Italy, Netherlands over the F-104 during the Cold War? As in “bribes”, can you class that as “MADE the Europeans buy from the US”? Probably not!….
I take it you missed the reference? True, it doesn’t have the full effect toned down but it’s still one of my favorite lines from Pulp Fiction. 🙂 (Besides, if I’d said “American, do you speak it?” I’d have caught hell for that as well. 🙂 )
Yeah, I missed that reference, my bad. 🙂 It just made me giggle because it reminded me about last week, a couple of Americans came into the guitar shop I work in, (I’m a guitar technician/sales person there, great job) & asked me about a particular guitar we have and after I explained to them about it, they didn’t really understand what I said because of my Geordie accent, which is quite difficult to understand because we talk quite fast & overall its just strange, even to people from the UK, & one of the Yanks said; “Do you speak English, dude?”. I just said; “I am English, so yeah I guess I do! DUUUUUUUDE!”…they didn’t see the funny side of it. 😀
Why on earth would you try to do a vertical takeoff loaded up like that? STOVL (which is what the F-35 is) means “Short Take Off Vertical Landing”. You’d have to be truly desperate to need to do a vertical takeoff, you certainly would rarely PLAN to do that. Coming back is a more realistic concern because of the whole “bring-back” problem. IIRC one of the big selling points of the Super Hornet was the higher bring back load that the standard Hornet meaning you didn’t have to dump PGMs into the ocean to land. ISTR that’s also the reason the Tomcat rarely flew with six Phoenix missiles- because it couldn’t land on a carrier with six.
Well, why wouldn’t you? The RAF used to practice it with their Harrier GR1/3’s in Germany during the Cold War just in case the Soviets had a bright idea of taking out a particular airfields runway(s), may sound rather mad but it would’ve worked, yes I agree, why on earth would you try to do a vertical take off loaded like that? But it’d be a handy feature to have if the need was there to do so. But I was thinking more of doing a vertical landing with such a load? If it can’t land vertically with such a load then I’d be quite a bit dissapointed, after all, LM seems to think its the best thing since sliced bread so I’d kinda expect it to do such a thing.
Hmm yes, but the American’s have been very insistent that we are getting the same kit since we are paying the same price as them for it. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they tried to make sure they edged out the other nations in terms of the kit. My mind still goes back to those arguments about whether the partners were going to be given lower stealth versions.
I thought the Americans were still reluctant to share technology with us? Is there any reliable sources saying that they will?
Many thanks.
Technically UCAVs were debuted in WW2….
I’m sure I seen something about them going as far nack as WW1? A show about UCAVs…
http://mil.news.sohu.com/20090924/n266958588.shtml
13 September 2009:
Reportedly, an USAF F-15 shot down an uncontrolled USAF MQ-9 Reaper, in Afghanistan.Does that F-15 get a kill mark for this AIM-9 kill? 8D
(To quote the immortal Murphy, “Friendly fire isn’t.”)
Why are they carrying A/A missiles in Afghanistan?…:confused: Yes of course obviously to shoot down a dicky Reaper…But still, could’ve just used his gun, couldn’t he?…
That raises an issue, why is the STOVL version for the UK and USMC showing different numbers in some areas like reliability and sortie generation? I thought these things were exactly the same? Or are we getting slightly crappier kit?
Well, to be honest, I wouldnt be surprised if we did.
The drop tank is merely the housing for the IRST and does not reflect on the actual quality of the IRST itself which should be an advancment from current systems in use.
Quite. Would have just thought they copuld’ve come up with something more subtle to house the IRST in.
Leave it to the damn Super Hornet to screw it up.
Would you, or anyone else think it would be possible to remove the gun on the F/A-18 & replace it with an IRST? Then that way at least you’ll have an extra hard point to have weapons on then. You’ll be minus a gun, but hey what can you do.
English, do you speak it?
Hehehe…Oh dear, so sorry, I giggle when an American asks that question. lol I joke…Does make me giggle though. :diablo: 😉
So, what happens when the F-35B has external weapons, drop tanks and its internal weapons? Will it still be able to hover when landing or just as importantly, when taking off?
Edit: BTW wheres our old friend Scooter gone? Would’ve thought he’d have a say in this thread?
Is there any pictures of RAF Tornado GR4’s in Afghanistan floating about anywhere? Quite anxious to know what weapons and what configuration they’re carried in. Plus, would be very interested to know how well they’re doing compared to the RAF Harrier GR7/9’s.
Just for the record, I really hope someone in the RAF writes a book about the RAF, Tornado GR4, aircrew, groundcrew etc like Commander Adrian Orchard did about the Harrier, Joint Force Harrier”.(Which an incredible read I have to say) Fingers crossed*.
Glad the pilots are ok. 🙂
Another impressive one with a short take off:
That howl is terrific. Nice noise for a show of force.
They’ll use that in Afghanistan for sure, would certainly scare the cr*p out of me thats for sure.
I beleive that the switch has been made or is being made this month. I guess that only 9 Harriers were sent because we have so few now and they get so battered in those conditions. Perhaps more Tornadoes will be deployed unless there is another factor (Brown doesn’t want to commit more resources, possibly Kandhar air base can’t support more?)
Just to add to that; I believe that when the Tornado GR4’s were in Iraq, (not sure though) they had a weapons load of 3X Brimestones (one launcher) on the front, right hand side of the fuselage hard points, with an LGB directly behind it. And I guess the LDP on the left hard point of the fuselage. I seen a close up picture of that layout, I guess thats what they’ll go with. Does anyone else know anything about that?
Well it has kind of gone down hill a bit, but every forum has its down days, its normal.
As for making new threads, I thought of doing a “VS” thread, but not like say, Typhoon vs F-22, (not a big fan of those kinds, get way out of hand), but of having a thread where you compare the aeroplanes performances on a “one vs one” or “two vs two” etc etc. But this kind of thread has a bit of a twist to it, its a “Guns Only” and “Flight Performance” match up, no A/A missiles, no radars, no SA or none other fancy gadgets. Just good old plain performances and guns only, old school style if you like. And of course, comparing old jet fighters such as the likes of the old Phantom, early Harrier, EE Lightning Mig-19 etc with the modern day fighters such as the likes of SU-XX, Typhoon, F-22/35, Rafale etc anyway you want but like I say, just flight performanes & guns only. I know a lot of members, me included sometimes, frown upon “VS” threads, hence why I didn’t really make one, but I think something like this would be quite interesting. What do you say? worth a go? 🙂