EELightningOk here’s my query. having just finished watching a documentary about USS Macon, the flying aircraft carrier. I was wondering, what with all the modern day technologies and smarter materials would a modern day version of this be plausible?? and what would be the tactical uses of such a vehicle. i.e. floating carrier or fuel depot like on the film stealth?
for any 1 wondering what USS macon is!
I missed that programme, knew there was something I was meant to watch…
But interesting question anyway. A flying aircraft carrier?…Tricky one that, I very much doubt it could be done even with todays technology and even if it could, why would anyone need one? Probably be more of a target to have a pop at than a floating carrier. But who knows, I’m just guessing & not really thinking in depth about it.
A fuel depot, that would probably be more “easier”, (I say easier) to pull off than a flying carrier, again, not really thinking in depth about it, but it seems like a pretty good idea.
As for other uses of an Airship. Does anyone ever remember the Brits coming up with an idea of useing one to detect & detonate land mines? I remember hearing about it a few years ago & I remember Sir Richard Branson & his Virgin compant having something to do with it too…Sketchy memory though…Haven’t heard anything of it since.
EELightningHe was polite: the guy was a guest in UK and was offered a ride in their newest fighter. What could he say?
Guess you could say the same thing about the RAF pilot that flew the F-22 then, can’t we?
1) I don’t see how EF didn’t meet the requirement?! EF actually FLIES Mach 1.5 with recessed AAMs, with EJ200… :confused:
It’s true that F22 surpasses it’s requirement, never argued that.
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I thought “Supercruise” wasn’t planned nor really not mean’t to be one of the Typhoon’s tricks? It just happened to be capable of doing it like the EE Lightning could…I’m 100% sure that was it. Don’t think it was planned to have it from whenever.
Anywho, so sorry to bring up another type of aircraft on an American aircraft thread, know how some fan boys don’t like it, but saying that some of the same ones think its cool to bring an American aircraft up on say, a Gripen thread, for example. Pffft some of these threads are so pointless because they just turn into a “VS” thread…Anyway, sign off & back to a life in the real world*.
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EELightningWOW! nhampton, you must have been up for a few nights trying to think that one up, yet even though you managed to come up with something, what it was is hardly good enough to make the PM or anyone elses change his of anyones mind. Weldone! :rolleyes:
But hey, you’re at home on this thread, so knock yourself out, be interest to know why you think its not fit for purpose. Hmmm funny how Typhoon bashers moan about it but never come up with explanations. :rolleyes:
This Lewis person, wasn’t that the same guy that said the RAF would be better of having F-16’s instead of Typhoon’s? Or was it that other kn*b, Kopp? Pretty much says it all about them, doesn’t it…
EELightningVery nice. Glad we’re showing what we’re capable of. 🙂
How big are those engines? They look quite small to me…
Not sure about the name though, ah well. I’m not much of a UAV person, I think they have no soul, boring things, no elegance and even no where near the capabilities or the passion of a real aeroplane flown by a real pilot, (They’re no Harrier jump jet are they) but I quite like this one for some reason. And on top of that, I must say, I’m looking forward for that BAE Taranis to come into service.
EELightningLack of maturiy and lack of some required capabilities at the intended date of delivery.
Highly integrated and automated avionics, with comprehensive sophisticated navigation and communication systems, MMI, most complete and advanced EWS, dual-band long range IRST/FLIR sensor, more sophisticated helmet in comparison to the JHMCS, full sensor fusion…
Can you prove the AN/APG-63(V3) is capable of detecting the Typhoon without being detected? Certainly not so its nothing else than hot air and wishful thinking!
LPI is a number of techniques, how many of them are incorporated into any APG-63(v3)? Name them, prove them with sources, prove it has been tested and works for THIS particulare RADAR! I think you’ll have a hard time. Why do you guys assume that any US made radar has the same LPI characteristics like the APG-77 which is exclusive for the US only!
Way superior agility and maneuvrability confirmed by dozens of pilots, at least 20% faster without AB in an operational configuration. Can an operationally configured F-15 carrying 2 drop tanks and 8 AAMs climb to 40k ft in 90 sec? Can the F-15 climb to 25k+ ft in the vertical directly from takeoff? Does the F-15 regualrly operate at altitudes above 40-50k ft without AB? And if not why?
Thank you, Scorpion82, you stole my moment once AGAIN! But thanks anyway! LOL 😀 😉
IMO, I think the Silent Eagle will be a quite good aeroplane, but no where near as good as a Typhoon when it comes to outright performance. Even still, I wouldn’t get why anyone would go for a Silent Eagle over a mature Typhoon.
EELightningSo I gooled advantages of (fill in the blank fighter) over the F-15SE and came up with nothing. So again since you are the one making the claim would you care to elaborate? Pick any or all three. Why not throw in Gripen NG, and Super Hornet while you are at it.
What, you googled, for example; “Advantages of Rafale over F-15SE”…? That’ll work… :rolleyes:
Why not just look up a particular aeroplane individually and compare that with the F-15SE? Go to eurofighter.com for example, and look at what that has to offer. Its called “research”, its quite an interesting concept.
So, you want me to elaborate? Ok, fair enough, I’ll keep it short and simple as possible. Do I think Typhoon (example) is better than an F-15SE? Yes! Why? Because of its avionics, air frame/layout design, performance-at subsonic AND supersonic speeds, maneuverability, supercruise, growth potential. There you go.
EELightningSo tell me about these other options? Tell me what these other options bring to the table that are of real use or a distinct advantage over an updated F-15 liek the SE?
What, do you want me to google them for you? Look up the likes of Rafale, F-35, Typhoon etc. They already have distinctive advatages over the F-15 Silent eagle. Look them up.
EELightningBased on your experience of having seen Strike Eagle units? :rolleyes:
Range, Payload, Two-Aircrew Attack, Two-Engine, Low-level penetration, airframe growth room and known performance of what it can and can’t do. If there is a perceived need for those things,…..
I’m quite aware of the Strike Eagle, yes, its quite an aeroplane….And?
I take it you’ve never seen a KWE XJS or any of the in house aston upgrades to classics, many of them will outdrive modern cars in their class, hell I drive an upgraded 1987 Land Rover 110 which will kick the current Defender into the long grass on or off the road, and depending on what they do to the airframe to reduce weight, and the quality of the tech that they stick in it I don’t see why it can’t be a good aircraft, hell they could really push the boat out and stick on the 3D Thrust Vectoring system from ACTIVE and shup up all those people who cream themselves over russian airshow vids.
Good for you, just for the record I’m very fond of the Land Rover series too. But anyway, I didn’t say it wouldn’t be a good aircraft, I’m sure it will, but theres other alternatives to an F-15 Silent Eagle, whom of which have much better performance when you consider their airframes alone.
Well lets see. M2.5 speed. Extreme maneuverability. Excellent high altitude performance. Low RCS. Internal weapons carriage. Two seats, great range, huge payload. State of the art avionics and an AESA radar. About $100 million each.
Well anyone looking to buy an advanced 4.5 generation true multi role fighter.
The Japanese, S Koreans, Israelis, and Saudi Arabians immediately come to mind.BTW, I guess they spent the money they saved on the video on capabilities.
Well, M2.5 speed, right, how often will an F-15 go that fast? Or any other fighter for that matter. Top is not the most important thing. Extreme maneuverability? In what sense? Supersonic speeds? I wish it the very best of luck at that one. All the rest you mentioned, well like I said, theres other, better options. And about $100 million a pop you say?…Hmmm…They can keep it.
“Well anyone looking to buy an advanced 4.5 generation true multi role fighter”.
Like I said above about other options.
“BTW, I guess they spent the money they saved on the video on capabilities”.
And they could of spent a lot more on capabilities if they didnt’ make the video at all.
EELightningNo matter what gizmo’s & modifications are done to an F-15, bottom line its still, well, an F-15…Like I mentioned a little while back for a metaphor, you can give an old 1970’s Jaguar XJS brand new electronics, suspension, brakes, interior, sat-nav, all the great things you could get, technically its very good, but its still NO Jaguar XKR of 2009…
Sorry, not sure who would want to buy an F-15SE?…
And that video….Ouch….Is that the best they can do?…
EELightningIts a case of the sale of the centry again!!! A very marginal aircraft being offered to NATO and marketed as the best thing since sliced bread. Think Lockheed, think F-104 Starfighter. Dont get me wrong the F-104 has loads of WOW factor but its only real performance was in speed and zoom climb. Not the best of attibutes when its main role in USAF and NATO was low level delivery of nuclear bombs.Or should I say that was the job it ended up doing.:mad:
Crossed my mind once or twice too….
EELightningI’m convinced they are looking for something faster, what’s the expected pricetag and likelyhood of the LO F-15 to materialize ?
That one is meant to supercruise right ?
You’re talking about the Silent Eagle, yes?
EELightningIf i was japan , i’d buy small ammounts of F-22 , Perhaps 3 squadrons and develop there own stealty 5 gen fighter similar to F-35 and a successor to the F-2 .
But wouldn’t the US step in & put their foot in the door & say; “Oh no you don’t, you’ll but our F-35’s instead and besides, you’ve got our wonder toy, although a watered down version but still”…Something like that anyway. The US will be paranoid about Japan building their own aeroplane if they already have the F-22, they’ll think they’re putting US tech into it knowing them. Wouldn’t be surprised if they tell the UK not to put “bits” from the F-35 into the Typhoon. Know what they’re like…
EELightningNot quite yet EELightning.
Maybe it’s ok to crack jokes at the Irish when you’re down the pub with your pals – but this is an open internet forum, not the pub. So far I’m the only Irishman (and Ulsterman) to respond – but IMHO it’s right out in this forum. Maybe it’d be more suited to the WAFF – and we know what that’s like.
Also, having wee digs at each other is all right when people know each other. You’re just a username to me (at the moment) – so what you’re doing is the equivalent of walking up to a guy in the pub who has an Irish accent and saying ‘you’re a moron’ – in a loud voice, to the whole pub.
Fair enough & respected, point taken, sorry if I offended you in any way, wasn’t my intentions. Being English myself, I also have family from Ireland & Scotland as well of course, England too, the Irish side being the biggest of the lot, so, we crack jokes at eachother quite often, so. Probably where I got it from.
Agreed – I’d expect an export F-22 to Japan to be seriously ‘black-boxed’ (i.e. sealed electronics modules) and training overseen by the US – so as to avoid the ‘can I borrow the AEGIS manuals?’ type scenario that occurred with the JSDF in the past.
Yep, I’d also expect it to be watered down somewhat too. Lets face it, I’ve mentioned this before, if the US don’t want or are VERY reluctant to share tech with their closest “friend”, i.e Great Britian, then Japan can wave goodbye to any hope of tech transfere. Just my thoughts, not that they matter.
Japan has shown interest for years………..Yet, it first concern was and is the F-22. Which, mirriors the USAF……..
You probably would’ve convinced me if the date said, for example; 01 Mar 2000 rather than 2009. Unless you have another reliable source dated a few years back?
EELightningWell actually, maybe it will be better to discuss it on this thread? Because a few pages down the line someones bout to mention another aircraft & it’ll turn into yet another pointless “vs” thread. Would save ruining the Eurofighter thread then. Just a thought.
EELightningSorry, Talent and Experience is a extremely perishable thing……..In short Russia has lost alot aground since the break up of the former Soviet Union.
Well, at least they’re giving it a shot with their new PAK-FA, but thats a different story, so I guess we have to agree to disagree once again.
Japan wants both the F-22 and F-35 just like the USAF. As it prefers the same high/low mix in fighters……..All the attention has been on the F-22 because production would end sooner and a Air Superiorty Type is needed first.
I know that they’re quite keen on purchasing F-22. I didn’t know they wanted both, or maybe I did know & forgot about it, maybe. Do you have a reliable source about Japan wanting the F-35, please? Would be much appreciated.
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