No, by historical conflict standards it was relatively easy.

Yeah ok, put it like that if you want. But you can’t just compare conflicts with a few words, and even if you can and have the time to write something at length, its very, VERY complicated because theres so many scenarios, it’d be like comparing the Falklands War with the Vietnam War. But I see your point though.

The Argentinians lost nearly 3 x the number of personnel that the UK did
The Argentinians lost 3 x the number of aircraft that the UK did
The Argentine Navy suffered a strategic defeat and was confined to port at the very beggining of the conflict after losing its sole cruiser and a submarine

They are not figures associated with a truly hard conflict.

No need to keep posting on who lost how many & who had many more of this and that of this. Its just numbers, letters, words & digits, it doesn’t say how hard or easy it was, its all about how it was fought. Yes the Argentines suffered more than the British, but that doesn’t mean it was easy for us…

No I am saying that video is third rate and conflict by its very nature is difficult (in case you had forgotten it involves killing people and destroying things) however the Falklands Victory was relatively easily achieved.

You know what, I’ll take Sir Sandy Woodward’s and General Julian Thompson’s word for it, they were there, they said what they thought about our chances and what could’ve happened and how a close run thing it WAS! They know a hell of a lot better than we do.

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Thats what I said, only the Argentine Air Forces showed real strategic and tactical bravery, please try and read before posting.:rolleyes:

Was just saying.

No it was not, the UK strategically and tactically defeated every element of the Argetine armed forces including an incredibly rapid achievement of local naval supremacy, the decimation of the Argentine Air Force and the surrender of Argetine land forces in Port Stanley. Argentina lost 3 x the number of personnel that the UK did and the UK was the assaulting force!

Quite right, but you miss the point. It WAS A CLOSE RUN THING!!!! We pretty much done all the right things, but it just needed a right hit in the right place from the Argentines to send us packing. The same can be said for a boxing match, the better boxer can dominate the fight but it can be ended if he’s hit with a hard enough punch. Yeah?

Just watch this, its a 5 part documentary…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c3a30V7JEw

1: Again, what government would ever allow another primacy over it’s choice to use an asset or not? And as for updates, you do remember that the UK only signed up to JSF on terms of full tech transfer, meaning we can update it ourselves if need be

2: Stormshadow will not fit internal bays, paveway will, as for brimstone and meteor, I say we get them both, with MBDA will take care of it to chase customers

3: the MOD are buying the F-35Bs we contracted for when signing up to the JSF program, other than that it’s up in the air, though frankly I doubt any other aircraft would get a look in other than the f-35C

4: If you really were British you would know that the French are the old enemy and never to be trusted, why do you think so many people want out of the EU.

1) Really? First I’ve heard of that one, must be something I missed. Last time I heard the Yanks weren’t exactly keen on sharing tech with their “Closest Ally”.

2) Quite agree, I say get them in too.

3) Personally I wouldn’t go for the B, (To be honest I wouldn’t go for any model), but since we are, go for the C.

4) Germany and Italy were an old enemy too, but still we developed the Eurofighter together along with Spain. Thats turned out quite alright, so shouldn’t we trust them too? But also, its OK to trust the Americans? I mean, they use to fund the IRA to make our lives that little more difficult didn’t they? Of course they did, so, is that a “Friend” or an “Enemy”? But hey, whats wrong for another country is perfectly fine for another, isn’t it? :rolleyes:

For the RN, I’d rather them go for the Rafale than the F-35B IMO. It’d be ironic and a bit of a U-turn, but a good choice I think. And for the RAF, have a few Gripen NG’s to replace the Harrier’s, maybe a few Rafales too, get some sort of deal to have them and to create jobs for the UK. At least they’ll be capable of carrying most of the weopans we have/will be getting, METEOR, Storm Shadow etc. And at least we don’t have to worry too much about having to update them to OUR NEEDS or have PERMISSION to use them if the need arises. Trust in your friends is a wonderful thing ain’t it.

But….Those are just pipe dreams, looks like we’re stuck with the F-35B….Sadly. Expecting “Someone” to reply and say how the F-35B is superior, gospel and all the rest….Blah blah.*

But pretty much like I said, if it were up to me, I’d chose the Rafale to fly off our Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers.

Now the Chinese are very much helping there cause! As I have long said China is just fueling a Arms Race. That she cannot win…..:(

I’m not sure that China are into this “My kn0b is bigger than your kn0b”nonsense, i.e. an Arms Race. (Because thats all it is, really) Yep, of course she’d want a decent size armed forces, and why not? Other countries do, so why should she be any different. But I believe she’s more interested in putting money elsewhere thats more important.

It happened on the Jag’s last TLP. The Rafale pilot got complacent and became a film star. The Rafale was caught bang to rights in the Jag’s HUD video.

For a time, anyone visiting ****ty Six couldn’t help but see the picture….. :diablo:

Nice one. 😀
One up. :diablo:

Jaguar with ASRAAM could have posed problems for enemy fighters, given the right RoE, but generally speaking, she wasn’t an A-A aeroplane.

Jackonicko, I believe you know more about aircraft more than I do, with all the first hand experience & what not.
Do you think the Jags would’ve been good enough for CAS in Afghanistan with their capabilities as they were back then, working up until our Tornado GR4’s are due to take over? Or maybe staying in theatre for a year or so before they retired? 🙂

Ah this is probably where I got my spurious thought about a Typhoon kill, obviously was this instead.

I believe it was a Tornado F3 that got a kill of a Typhoon F2. So I heard anyway.

If you think that little report is five shades of bonkers have a look at this article on Carlo Kopps own website by a Dr Kenneth Freeman:

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-05.html

Basically he advocates the UK ditches all its Eurofighters and buy F16’s, the report is an utter load of tripe and bunkum that seems to ignore that quite aside from the logistic and cost implications of such an exercise doesn’t seem to get the concept THE MONEY IS ALREADY SPENT!!!!!!

Oooooo, well, the first few lines, I read, its BS, but I’d thought I’d give him a chance and read on…Right up until he said: “….replace them with the more capable F-16….”Which was in the first paragraph. Nonsense.

I wouldn’t print that off and stick it in a cage for a budgie to sh*t on. Be an insult to the poor bird.