EELightningIf you think that little report is five shades of bonkers have a look at this article on Carlo Kopps own website by a Dr Kenneth Freeman:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-05.html
Basically he advocates the UK ditches all its Eurofighters and buy F16’s, the report is an utter load of tripe and bunkum that seems to ignore that quite aside from the logistic and cost implications of such an exercise doesn’t seem to get the concept THE MONEY IS ALREADY SPENT!!!!!!
Oooooo, well, the first few lines, I read, its BS, but I’d thought I’d give him a chance and read on…Right up until he said: “….replace them with the more capable F-16….”Which was in the first paragraph. Nonsense.
I wouldn’t print that off and stick it in a cage for a budgie to sh*t on. Be an insult to the poor bird.
EELightningName a country or countries that won’t purchase the F-35 based on ToT Transfer. 😉
Well, thats maybe a little early to say, but later on when deliveries start to take place then maybe some some countries, not neccersarily partner nations, might be interested, go to choose then have second thoughts on purchasing them, because of such reasons. As you and everyone else knows, Britain has threatened to pull out of this project because of tech transfere, (And in my honest opinion, I wish they would and go for another option, but thats just me), but saying that, I believe, sadly, we’ll purchase them and this dispute on tech transfere, wanting to modify them etc will go on for as pretty much as long as they’re in service with the RAF and RN.
And, weren’t Israel interested in purchasing the F-35? Yes I’m sure they were. And don’t they want to modify them for their own needs, but apparantly, the US pretty much said “No”? That might make Israel say; What the hell, we’ll look for something else….You see, stuff like this could happen to other countries that might be interested in F-35. If LM/US want to sell these things, then they’re going to have to learn to “trust”. You’re not much of a friend if you don’t trust. They ought to get that into their heads.
But, early days yet.
EELightningHeard some stories in magazines, books, etc of what has already been mentioned, kills against F-15s and F-16s etc But haven’t the one about the Jag getting a one up against the Rafale. Quite like to hear more about that.
All in all. Going by what I’ve read, heard etc, the Jag was a mighty fine little aeroplane, not a fighter but done what it was designed to do VERY WELL! Only 12 RAF Jaguars flew 600+ sorties during GW1 without a single loss. Say no more.
Shame its not still in RAF service, but still, its had a good life and I’m sure it’ll be missed for some years.
EELightningHeard some stories in magazines, books, etc of what has already been mentioned, kills against F-15s and F-16s etc But haven’t the one about the Jag getting a one up against the Rafale. Quite like to hear more about that.
All in all. Going by what I’ve read, heard etc, the Jag was a mighty fine little aeroplane, not a fighter but done what it was designed to do VERY WELL! Only 12 RAF Jaguars flew 600+ sorties during GW1 without a single loss. Say no more.
Shame its not still in RAF service, but still, its had a good life and I’m sure it’ll be missed for some years.
EELightningThey would have to get someone from the army to decide who won!
Yep, of course, but still, he might be biased. 😉
Someone from the army thinking: “Hmmmm? Which one provided the better CAS for me in Iraq and in Afghanistan? RAF Harrier or RN Harrier?……”. 😀
So, it should be someone from the general public I think. 😀
And thats a beautiful picture of the BAE Hawk btw, very nice. Thanks for showing us. 🙂
EELightningShould Britain ask the United States for the F-22?
08:38 GMT, February 24, 2009 The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is designed to defeat threats that will have been superceded well before this aircraft enters operational service. The performance of the F-35 is suffering seriously from the conflicting design requirements that it was intended to meet. As a result…..Blah, blah, blah, blah, yawn, yawn, yaaaaaawn, falls asleep*……
So sorry, I got bored after reading just that little bit, what happened? Did he finish talking or is he still making noises?.
About a decade ago the F-22A Raptor was proposed as an alternative to the domestically built Eurofighter Typhoon
This is the very first I’ve heard of anything like that. Jesus…..:rolleyes:
And even if we did have a chance to buy the F-22, I very much doubt we’d give it a look with a twinkle in the eye let alone think about it. Too expensive to buy and maintain, just an air superiority that can drop 2 or 3 makes of bombs, well whoopy frikin doo, thanks but no thanks, you keep your expensive toy, we’ll stick with the Typhoon which suits are needs even better. Ta-ta.
EELightningShould Britain ask the United States for the F-22?
08:38 GMT, February 24, 2009 The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is designed to defeat threats that will have been superceded well before this aircraft enters operational service. The performance of the F-35 is suffering seriously from the conflicting design requirements that it was intended to meet. As a result…..Blah, blah, blah, blah, yawn, yawn, yaaaaaawn, falls asleep*……
So sorry, I got bored after reading just that little bit, what happened? Did he finish talking or is he still making noises?.
About a decade ago the F-22A Raptor was proposed as an alternative to the domestically built Eurofighter Typhoon
This is the very first I’ve heard of anything like that. Jesus…..:rolleyes:
And even if we did have a chance to buy the F-22, I very much doubt we’d give it a look with a twinkle in the eye let alone think about it. Too expensive to buy and maintain, just an air superiority that can drop 2 or 3 makes of bombs, well whoopy frikin doo, thanks but no thanks, you keep your expensive toy, we’ll stick with the Typhoon which suits are needs even better. Ta-ta.
EELightningI guess the UK is pretty dump because they plan on buying the F-35B for its future Carriers. when they could be used.:D:D:D
You can say that again…:rolleyes:
Well, if you really believe that. I guess the UK is pretty dump because they plan on buying the F-35B for its future Carriers. (along with Italy and Spain) Also, the cornerstone of the UK Nuclear Deterrence is the Vangard Class SSBN’s armed with American Made D-5 SLBM.
As a matter of fact the vast Majority of the free world have and use US Weapons. With absolutely no problem for several decades now. You don’t hear them complaining……….;)
Sorry, that argument holds very little water…………:eek:
Its worth noting that it doesn’t appear to be a problem for India regardless. As she has already purchased US Weapons like the C-130 and P-8I. The latter has some of the most Advance US Electronics available. Clearly, India is happy with the arrangements on how and when they could be used.:D:D:D
You’ve gone off a bit there matie boy. I was on about F-35, not those. So, sorry that argument(s) holds very little water!
So, anyway!…If India purchases F-35, do you really think the US would share tech transfere with them? Or let them modify them to their needs? I think not!…Well, the US seem to be reluctant to do that with their tier 1 “Closest ally”, and it seems that India wants freedom to do what they want with military hardware that has been discussed on other threads, so….Well, think about it….:rolleyes:
Going nowhere this….:rolleyes:
EELightningWell, its theonly 5th Generation Strike Fighter thats also STOVL. Which, the Royal Navy, Spainish Navy, and Italaian Navy. Have all selected for there current or future Carriers. So, why would India not be interested????;)
Why would they be interested in something that they’ll need “Permission” to use, in anger? Or can’t put their own tech into it, modify etc etc. Other countries might not mind that, but it doesn’t mean India will, after all, I don’t think India wants anything like that with those rectrictions like other F-35 users will have.
Like I said some time ago, if you need permission to use something, then you dont really own it.
Anyway, theres always the Rafale M & Mig-35 to choose. Decent aircraft, does the job.
EELightningyes sir, the US DoD are spending billions dollars over AESA for years, and the dispatched europeans “parts builders” claims that old mech are still at same level!
:D:D
Yes, Billions & billions of dollars…They must be doing something wrong, oh dear o deary me. And yep, those European “Parts builders”, so good even the US have European bits & pieces.
😀 😀
EELightningyes sir, the US DoD are spending billions dollars over AESA for years, and the dispatched europeans “parts builders” claims that old mech are still at same level!
:D:D
Yes, Billions & billions of dollars…They must be doing something wrong, oh dear o deary me. And yep, those European “Parts builders”, so good even the US have European bits & pieces.
😀 😀
EELightningNice, looks alot like the RN CVF(s), but without the double tower layout. Like the look of it. 🙂
But for ‘A’ reason, I don’t think India would go for the F-35. Time will tell I guess, but I don’t think so IMO.
EELightningCame across this:…
20 February 2009 – AESA for Eurofighter Typhoon
There were two blogs posted yesterday on the Aviation Week homepage, one on fighter specifics and one dealt with the question why Eurofighter Typhoon currently does not have an Electronic scanning antenna.
Quoting renowned industrial experts like EADS-Peter Gutsmiedel and the “Father of ECR90” Professor John Roulston, the valid point was made: today the ECR90 Captor radar of Eurofighter Typhoon offers a comparable performance to current E-Scan radars, in some areas maybe better. And after integration of the Meteor missile, the Eurofighter Typhoon combination of Captor and Meteor will remain a leader in operational scenarios for quite some time.
The current E-Scan radars are at the beginning of their operational lives and often their weight, cost and performance don’t match the ECR90 Captor. These facts are sometimes forgotten in those marketing-driven discussions on E-Scan technology which are being promoted today by many.
Of course engineers in the Eurofighter programme are well aware of the new technology’s ultimate benefits and E-Scan is certainly not being disregarded. It will be introduced onto Eurofighter – but not quite yet.
Work on maturing this technology started years ago and is still being very actively pursued. After the DA5/Captor-E/Caesar flight campaign in 2007 the results were carefully analysed and the design has since been further refined. The objective remains to introduce E-Scan in due course – when we can offer something better than what is available today.
EELightningCame across this:…
20 February 2009 – AESA for Eurofighter Typhoon
There were two blogs posted yesterday on the Aviation Week homepage, one on fighter specifics and one dealt with the question why Eurofighter Typhoon currently does not have an Electronic scanning antenna.
Quoting renowned industrial experts like EADS-Peter Gutsmiedel and the “Father of ECR90” Professor John Roulston, the valid point was made: today the ECR90 Captor radar of Eurofighter Typhoon offers a comparable performance to current E-Scan radars, in some areas maybe better. And after integration of the Meteor missile, the Eurofighter Typhoon combination of Captor and Meteor will remain a leader in operational scenarios for quite some time.
The current E-Scan radars are at the beginning of their operational lives and often their weight, cost and performance don’t match the ECR90 Captor. These facts are sometimes forgotten in those marketing-driven discussions on E-Scan technology which are being promoted today by many.
Of course engineers in the Eurofighter programme are well aware of the new technology’s ultimate benefits and E-Scan is certainly not being disregarded. It will be introduced onto Eurofighter – but not quite yet.
Work on maturing this technology started years ago and is still being very actively pursued. After the DA5/Captor-E/Caesar flight campaign in 2007 the results were carefully analysed and the design has since been further refined. The objective remains to introduce E-Scan in due course – when we can offer something better than what is available today.
EELightningHow tragic it is that you are embarrassed!.
Service rivalry is very, very much more subtle than your fervent flag waving paints it. Until you have worn the uniform – whatever its colour and shade – you’d be advised to try and understand the service ethos before making such sweeping commentry.
Part of the problem the RN has with the RAF is exactly that they were NOT there to help us when they said they would and we lost men and ships because of it. Further than that they went to the extreme ends to dredge up a few old bombers with bits, literally, off a scrapheap – staged a few ad-hoc long-range sorties and then made out their attacks bottled up the cream of the enemy air force back defending their capital!. As if we should, in fact, be grateful for their august presence. To a lot of us that does not sit well.
Now many of us, who have served, have friends in the other branches and we know that the institutional rivalry between the services has a time and place, but, it is very, very real. To some, though definitely not all, it is part of the sense of identity and pride we feel about ‘our’ service and is indivisable. To be informed, in such flippant fashion, that we should all ‘just bally get on with it’, if you will forgive the paraphrasing, also does not sit well.
Maybe “Embarrassed” was the wrong thing to say I guess now, maybe I looked at the wrong way, and maybe thats because I get such information about what goes on from the media, forums etc and not from the likes that’ve served in the Armed Forces themselves. As you and pretty much everyone knows the media have a habit of twisting such things, hence probably why I said such things, should’ve thought a little bit more and I’m sorry if I offended. I looked at it by going off the latest ding-dongs the RN & RAF have had in recent weeks/months, NOT the past, which to me, a civvy, looks like childish and silly squabbling, hence of what I said before.
And, nothing wrong with flag waving if you’re proud of your countrys Armed forces. Like I am….
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