SAAB and Eurofighter fanatics and shareholders always blame politics when their favourite jets are on the losing side. It’s the easiest excuse in the book for a lost contract and the fact their aircraft are of an older less capable generation is completely ignored, everytime. Its got to the point that i’ve lost count of the amount of times this has happened recently.
It was politics that got the Typhoon selected in Austria, nothing more, nothing less – personally it was the wrong choice, they should’ve went for the Gripen. Politics also played a significant role in Saudi Arabia too, that’s something I’m not really keen on, them purchasing the aircraft that is. “Fanatic”? Nah…
Learn a bit more, it helps…
You mean like:
…Your Favorite Hornet/Super Hornet pics.
…Super Hornet News & Disscusion
…Your favorite Super Hornet Block III Upgrade.
…Super Hornet
…International Super Hornetor
…Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates
…Amazing weapons loads Eurofighter Typhoon
…Eurofighter Typhoon: Tranches, Batches, Blocks, PSCs, PSP/SRPs, Drops.
…Plus the myriad of “vs” threads😉
I was thinking more like:
– Right Wing Thread
– Left Wing Thread
– Front Fuselage Section Thread
– Rear Section Fuselage Thread
– Landing Gear Thread
– Cockpit Thread
– Flux Capacitor Thread
– HEA Thread
– Radar Thread
– Laugh at the French because they’ll be Flying Turboprops Thread
– Engines Thread
But, you need a Thread per upgrade, enhancement and costs topics I think.
😉 🙂
Yea correct about that. Since Canda pressed the reset button, there now bringing up other fighters in the competition. I think either the Super Hornet or F-35 will be Canada’s main fighter. F-35 is costy and F-18 is cheaper.
It doesn’t matter how cheap the Super Hornet is, or any other aircraft for that matter. It’s simple, Canada will go for the F-35. They’re not going to invest $X Millions into a programme then select something else, it’d be politically unacceptable.
Can we please return this to a News thread and leave the debates on teh other thread….
Why can’t the F-35 have ‘one’ thread like any other aircraft? It’s going to end up like F-16.net, a different thread for every ruddy part of the aircraft…
You forgot to add that Brasil and Canada are competitors for the SH Rafale Typhoon and Gripen. Which is a follow up to see which aircraft can meet the country’s requirements.
Canada aren’t going to go for anything but the F-35. For them, it would politically incorrect not to.
Most of the major powers are looking at 5th Generation Fighters as the preferred choice.
And most of them will still have a heavy emphasis on non-stealth aircraft, for example the RAF. Indeed, the likes of China and India are producing and purchasing stealth aircraft, but you’re conveniently, and consistently, forgetting that they’ll also be producing non-stealth aircraft.
The one that aren’t either can’t afford them or don’t face a threat that requires one.
Nonsense! The majority of Middle Eastern countries (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait etc) have a significant amount to spend, well over $100 billion (US) combined, yet they’re showing no interest in these so-called “5th-Gen” types. Those countries are in a very volatile region of the world given that they’re right in the middle of Israel and Iran which have itchy (happy at that) trigger fingers, so there obviously is a threat. It’s rather silly to think otherwise.
I served with 19, 23 and 74 Sqdns as an Air radar fitter. Bullet changes where my thing. I used to be able to slip in behind the bullet to kick the bloody thing out when it jammed, as it often did. The mysteries of what went on inside that casing were brilliant and there’s hardly a soldered joint in there.
Good stuff. I have a very interesting piece on the Ferranti AI23/23B/23C, although there’s too much to quote to keep on topic.
Wrong. The Lightning (note spelling) was used by 2 countries. The UK and Saudi Arabia. As for DSI, I can’t imagine what you’re talking about other than Data Link (remote control). Care to explain.
Three countries, Kuwait too.
EE Lightening, a single country plane, that had DSI (or something primitively similar) and yet no one’s frothing at the mouth because people brought it up.
Probably because it’s not that significant these days. Back then, it was quite a step forward, even the Soviets made use of the same idea on a number of their aircraft. Radar Bullet, DSI, (fixed inlets), they’re doing the exact same thing – keeping the airflow subsonic no matter how fast the aircraft is going, be it at Mach 1.1 or Mach 2.0.
lol I never seen anyone so bitter after having their request for links (which was asked for quite rudely btw) granted
I simply asked, it’s your problem if you thought the request was “rude”, you should be used to it anyway.
lol again your laziness triumphs.
I remember when you couldn’t do a simple bit of research which was widely known about Tranche 1 units of a particular aircraft, it took several members a couple of pages to even explain the basics to you…
want china times is requoting Xinhua’s report. Xinhua is a major news agency if you were not familiar. also not sure where your nationalistic tabloid claims come in.
does the thought of argentina one day acquiring j-20s or jf-17s really threaten you that much that you lash out in insecurity?
“Nationalistic Tabloid” was brought up in that very source. As I said, those reports are a year old, it’s just rather odd how other, proper defence analysts, haven’t reported anything regarding Argentina showing interest in the J-20, isn’t it not?
Insecurity? Priceless, who did you claim was a threat again…
the only hot air is coming from you.
Still, I know a hell of a lot more than you ever will. Speak for yourself about being lazy.
argentina and j-20 mentioned in previous pages back.
lots of links on the internet
http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/15165356/Argentina-no-descarta-la-compra-de-Chengdu-J-20-a-China.html
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120706000005&cid=1101
How reliable are those sources? I know which ones to look out for which are 9/10 reliable and have particular contacts, I’m not saying those aren’t reliable, (well, “Want China Times” is even being described as a “nationalistic tabloid”… *Sigh*), but they don’t spring to mind when one needs references. Besides, those links date back to, as much as it makes no difference, a year a go. Hardly up to date and funny how proper defence sources haven’t reported anything.
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130627/DEFFEAT02/306240018/FAdeA-s-Aerospace-Rebound
according to Defensenews, new Pampa variant to fly, confirmation of KC-390 interest, no mention of JF-17.
Still not found anything regarding Argentina “really wanting” the J-20?…
Hot air…
What’s the source of this chart and are all the figures for 20k alt or just the acceleration figures and what were the loadouts? Any idea?
Eurofighter site. I.e. Marketing, take it with a pinch of salt.
�70,000 – It’s what it costs to fly mate, take away any of those things an it sits on the runway or in a hanger. You an others don’t like it, we know that but not everything in life is wonderful. And sure the cost will come down over time, in line with the other jets, and did you see how much they cost per hour? More than the F-35.
I didn’t state anything about liking nor disliking, you don’t like it because a couple of us pointed something obvious out that you failed to simply read. Unlike you, I seen the costs per hour for the Tornado GR4, Tornado F3, Harrier GR7/9 – £35,000, £43,000 and £37,000 respectively. So lets say, for example, £39,000 on average, give or take, what the running costs of Typhoon are expected to come down to once sufficient numbers are in operational service, as the NAO report suggests. Taken into account the F-35 is far from being completed, is still very much in it’s development stage, has technical and costs issues that are yet to be resolved (which will affect the overall programme costs and cost per unit), a number of units which are yet to be determined by the British MoD and keeping in mind which will also have to go through the same process as Typhoon is going through, or any other aircraft for that matter, and have rather high initial running costs, i.e. due to forward and depth servicing, fuel costs, crew costs, training costs, cost of capital charge, depreciation and amortisation… what will the average running costs per hour be for the F-35B in UK service, bearing in mind that particular variant is much more complex machine than the ‘A’ and ‘C’ variants & the Typhoon?
If you can answer that then I’m sure you’d make many F-35 customers more confident.
I found these…
Thanks, WP840. I’ve been looking for images of the Tornado with eight 1,000lb Dumb Bombs. Much appreciated.
Usually, Armourers tend to write very witty slogans on weapons and what have you. The one that wrote this couldn’t think of anything creative to say I think! 😀

Come on now, I know you’ve been on this forum long enough to have seen the Eurofighter cost per flight hour. Incase you’ve forgotten the officila UK government figures said it was £70,000 per hour between 2010 – 2011.
Way more expensive than any F-35 to operate!
(Awaiting the Typhoon fan babies and eurofighter consortium shareholders to come and tell me the UK government got the figures all wrong… wah wah wah)
Indeed those figures are correct, no doubt about it. But if you’d have gone through the effort to actually read the NAO report and find out what and why those are the costs, you wouldn’t have looked a bit silly.
From the actual link you posted:
“The MoD calculates the full cost of aircraft per flying hour; the current rates for our fast jets are shown below. These figures include forward and depth servicing, fuel costs, crew costs, training costs, cost of capital charge, depreciation and amortisation. The Typhoon cost per flying hour reflects the build-up of the fleet with small numbers of aircraft currently in service. This cost will comparatively reduce as the fleet builds and is expected to be similar to our other fast jet fleets when we reach a steady state position.”
That wasn’t too difficult, was it.
it would be interesting if the deal did go through, but likely mirage f-1 will be their next temporary fighter until they can find an appropriate long term one and perhaps the f-1 can tide them over until they get what they really want… j-20.
When was it officially stated that Argentina “really wanted” the J-20? Got a source for that?
I’ve not heard anything compelling regarding them wanting that particular aircraft, unless I’ve missed it.