Always confuses me when posters on whatever forums try to discourage people from posting. Fresh threads is what keeps forums moving.
Anyway, raise an eyebrow at the 4th country in the exclusive club propaganda. Very interesting carrier design tho so cannot wait to see it enter service.
The other Chinese photo of my controversy lately
How does the general trend to stealthiness change the picture. Ie. the latest Chinese, Norwegian, Taiwanese and Finnish boats?

F-5E Tiger IIs for fighters, Eurocopter Tigre for attack.
FACs are not capable of carrying a battle management system and incapable of self defense, .
Why not? Can you please explain your logics here
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Predator over the Phoenix UAV
Tornado GR1 was not a huge leap over the Jaguar IMO and Buccaneer?

I find it hard to think of any plane as ugly, but boring yes, definately some boring ones out there. In my view boring us a worse offsense!
But for ugly, I sorta think of these as ugly.
King of ugly
The ugly duckling
Now there are some gorgeous Yaks out there, but this one is uglier than the animal![]()

fat belly
Fat wings
Now I love this plane, but looks weren’t its strong point
Yeah I recognise it. Can’t recall the program but sure it’s US not Chinese. 1990s I think.
Is this the system India has been working with Israel on? Maybe one day India will get ‘true’ air-defence escorts for her carriers.
Re the in-service units. Any info on where they are garrisoned, which units etc? Or pics in operational service?
Undercarriage doesn’t look like a fixed type, just that undercarriage doors are not shown/closed
Vietnam anyone?
Just a thought, but if Vietnam upgraded it’s MiG-21s to Bison standard, would they have R-77s? I thought Vietnam didn’t have them even for the Flankers? – If they did then Malaysia Would have R-77s and Singapore would bring its stockpile of AMRAAMs home?
Any info on whether Vietnamese Flankers have R-77?
Found a reference to AFM in 2000… says HAL was favoured then for political reasons:
“THE VIETNAM People’s Army Air Force is looking to upgrade its MiG-21 fleet of approximately 220 aircraft. There are four companies vying for the work – Thomson CSF Hindustan Aircraft Ltd, an Israeli company (Elbit Systems or Israel Aircraft Industries) and a Russian company (Sokol-Nizhniy Novgorod Aircraft Building Plant). According to AFM’s informed source, HAL is favorite for political reasons.
Meanwhile, Elbit Systems has asked Laos if it wants to consider upgrading its 20 MiG-21S – but it is unlikely that anything will materialize from this.”
(source: AFM, April 2000)
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/afm136.htm
So the question is whether HAL got the deal, how many and what does the upgrade consist of?