Biggest and most welcome surpise was – nothing went wrong.
Nothing broke down, fell or crashed. Huge and complicated even went flawlessly. I was surprised.
prepare to be unsurprised
I favour a **** to FFG role too, in which case I’d like to see a Mk41 (32 cells?) in a redesigned rear superstructure, sacrificing the cargo area and reducing the helipad. Also a modest radar suit, 2 x 35mm “millennium gun” CIWS and the stealthier 57mm casing as per Visby. Torpedo tubes also. Main problem is mounting a sonar, maybe retractable under-hull.
The Mk41 would be used for Harpoon, ESSM and Tomahawk. Standards could also be carried but limited engagement relative to AEGIS obviously – maybe the Mk41 could be plugged in to the virtual network and the missiles guided from other AEGIS escorts?
Current LCS-2 top, my idea bottom:
Looking at the OTO-Melara site, the Davide page has been removed. A system called “Strales” is covered which uses “DART’ ammunition but next to no useful details – has Davide been axed????
Strales: http://www.otomelara.it/EN/Common/files/OtoMelara/pdf/business/naval/development/STRALES.pdf
Anyone know if OTO-Melara Davide will be fitted to the 76mm guns?
A thoroughly unmodern and unexciting basic patrol frigate design. Typical of Chinese surface warships this one appears to be about 2 decades behind the state of the art and is probably as lightly and flimsily built as its cousins in service with Egypt, Thailand, etc.
For a Navy whose most modern surface combattants are older than most of the men who serve on them these ships will be better than nothing, but they will hardly change the military balance in the region.
The design is not twenty years behind the times, it is for example comparatively stealthy which is a more recent trend – say compared to OHP. Not saying it’s a world beater or anything but I think your words are too harsh and underestimate the current standard of Chinese warships.
Folks,
Looks an awful lot like the Israeli DERBY does it not?
Jack E. Hammond
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It’s Aspide derived, so a relative of the Aim-7 Sparrow
The US is currently engaged in 2 conflicts , IRAQ and AFGANISTAN with over 190,000 troops .
Same theatre. You don’t need 12 carriers just to cope with those two occupations. In fact you could have done it with no carriers (yeah I know the comeback, but honestly you could have).
190,000 troops outside the country fighting (not including carrier crews etc) and you want to believe that they can prepare for 2 more fronts ?
Evidently they can’t. That’s why North Korea and Iran escalated their nuclear programs after the invasion of Iraq because they could (and did) get away with it pretty much. DPRK despite the Pacific fleet and Japanese navy nearby.
Heck what do they know about ships and fighting . Its not like “its their job to fight” they just go their on jet ski’s , have fun and come back 8)
They know a lot about ships, but they are not unbiased. The USAF would equally argue that the B2 is vital whilst the navy would counter-argue that ship/sub based tomahawks could do the same job – both are right in so far as you don’t need both.
For the navy I see aircraft carriers as a strong role, but I don’t see the need for 12 supercarriers and a bunch of harier capable amphibious carriers to boot. Instead I see the excellent sub fleet, AEGIS ships with ever more comprehensive air defenses, and littoral combat ships are the key areas. I’d also like to see the arsenal ship reconsidered, and more “arsenal” SSBN conversions, better “harrier carriers” and more rapid development of strike UCAVs suitible for both the CVNs and the harrir-carriers.
Experts would disagree . As long as the govt. expects its forces be ready to fight 2 conflicts ( rummy’s infamous 1.5 conflicts speach where he says we fight to win one conflict and keep the other one tight) the requirment would be their . You would be surprised to know how much navy contributes to the war effort and you cant do it (ie. ” fight anywhere in the world”) without proper force .
I recomend you talk to some navy people specially those involved in planning if you have access to them . Sea toby has a very good reply , it is FACT based and you will hear similar response echo from the navy guys . Carrier fleet is very important , they fly high sorties , deliver a heck of a lot of munition , provide a lot of CAP and fire a lot of missiles .
2 wars at once?? Why????
If US military was capable of two wars at once they wouldn’t be sitting around giving strong words to the likes of Iran and DPRK right now. Sorry if that sounds harsh but big talk about needing to be able to fight multiple wars is just big talk. And the navy guys are the last people I’d expect to get an objective answer about fleet strength needs from, again sorry if that’s harsh. I’m not anti navy or anti military, I’m just not buying the need for the incredible fleet disparities.
And look what UK did with two tiny carriers, two LSDs and a bunch of escorts in 1982 thousands of miles from any base. Four supercarriers too few????
The US would have to change its Strategic policy considerably . The USN wont be able to support the Current strategic policy with 4 carriers , its a political descision , we can shrink our air force to a few hundered fighters and no bombers aswell but the political demands from the military have to change.
Agreed although I think you could shrink the carrier force (and escorts) whilst still leaving a massive military more than able to meet the realistic demands of the next 20 years.
The USAF and non-carrier naval assets are more than enough. You want power projection with a carrier? – well yes with four that’s still at least two more than anyone else. And the amphibious carriers with harriers and later JSFs. But more importantly, the SSNs and DDGs give you enough naval power.
The carrier fraternity are sounding a bit like the battleship fans of the 1930s… “small wars” breed poor proving grounds for “big wars”.
The reasoning behind 12 was to have two operational carriers deployed forward during peacetime for each ocean, the Atlantic and the Pacific. Since the US Navy rotates the carriers in three, one six month deployment, a six month overall and vacation period, and a six month training period to be deployed. .
I’d say four carriers would be enough. Plane spotters and military enthusiasts might baulk at the thought but USA’s navy is way bigger and costlier than anyone else’s. It could also operate reduced strength air wings (it already does, I know, but taking that further).
Also, the White Tigers squadron markings are only on the older paint scheme…….:rolleyes:
Look really closely at the pic again, all four aircraft have the tiger in the same place. 😎
aesthetically I prefer the darker scheme
Do you have expereince in fleet managment ??
Please explain why America needs additional fighters above the current Super Hornet and F-35 purchases. Emphasis on needs. For that matter why does America need the number of CBGs currently maintained anyway?
And why not Rafales anyway 😉
I don’t really buy the idea that USN does have a fighter gap. I really can’t see the need for he number of carriers in service anyway nor the likelihood of them being used in full on conventional warfare requiring ALL carriers anyway. The way I see it the current supply of Hornets and Super-Hornets s more than enough until the F-35 comes along.
I think “sports Jets” dressed up to look military will be a part, like the Viperjet and Javelin

Wouldn’t a hovering CIWS sytem have serious issues with recoil? just an amatuers thought there…
Absolutely, except… that assumes it’s using a gun. I’d suggest light anti-missile missiles with IIR seekers, like RAM or Mistral.
RAM is about the size of a Sidewinder, and is widely regarded as superior to Phalanx 20mm CIWS.
The French Mistral MANPAD is fast enough to offer some anti-missile capability and is employed as a CIWS in the Sadral system: