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  • in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2062348
    planeman6000
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    Why does all the evidence seem to suggest that P-17 frigates will get arm-launched SA-11/17 familiy missiles rather than VLS? Surely this is less stealthy, slower firing and heavier?

    Also why no pictures? Haven’t these boats been fitting out for several years?!!??!!?

    in reply to: Indian navy – news & discussion #2062471
    planeman6000
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    Are there any recent photos of the latest Frigate and Destroyers India is building. I’ve seen no new photos in ages.

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062476
    planeman6000
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    Forgot an interesting one…

    [u]????”Attack Submersible-X”????[/u]
    http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2244/sdv2gk1.jpg
    Quantity in Service: ? 1
    Dimensions: L 7m
    Weight: (est) 3 tons (armed)
    Crew: 2
    Weapons: 21″ (533mm) heavyweight torpedo, possibly type YT534W1

    Recently paraded, this two man “wet sub” has a notch out of the bottom suggesting that it is designed to carry a single heavyweight torpedo semi-recessed. The two crew members use frogman apparatus. The clear nosecone appears to be for the driver to see where they are going when underwater, presumably crouched inside the hull. The small forward control planes are probably hand operated by the driver.

    An interesting craft, it is not clear how the crew aim the torpedo with any degree of accuracy except at very short ranges.

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062500
    planeman6000
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    PS: Are those Vector Graphics?

    MS Paint and a bog standard editing program for the shading – came free with a scanner a few years ago.

    I posted the same data and sketches on an Iranian military forum and it got a mixed review, lol.

    [Serious]If anyone out there writes military analysis for books/mags and needs the occassional illustration, I come free. You can see the sort of stuff I can produce – I specialise in guesswork artists impressions. I have had pictures published (including one last month by a Japanese magazine who I assume grabbed it off the internet not that I cared) and actually articles too though not military. If the editor staff of AFM are reading this, I’m the chaps you politely turned down a few years back 😉 [/Serious]

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062585
    planeman6000
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    AIRBORNE ANTI-SHIP CAPABILITY

    Air Force (IRIAF)
    32 x Su-24 Fencer, strike bomber, Russia

    35 x F-4D/E Phantom-II, multi-role fighter, USA
    10 x Mirage F-1, ground attack fighter, France (ex-Iraqi)

    Iranian Navy
    10~13 x SH-3D Sea King, helicopter, USA (28 delivered)
    ?? x Mil Mi-17 Hip (Naval), helicopter, Russia

    12 x AB212, helicopter, Italy
    3-5 P-3C Orion, maritime patrol aircraft, USA

    [u]Su-24 Fencer / Noor[/u]
    http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2373/fencernoorzs0.jpg
    Quantity in service: about 30. Not all may be upgraded to accept the Noor anti-ship missile
    Missile: Possibly C-801K, or maybe a later version based on C-802.
    Substantiation: Widely reported since mid-late 1990s, hard proof of capability remains elusive.

    The Fencer is a very capable strike jet with credible avionics, well suited to maritime strike. If reports that it is operational with Noor anti-ship missiles are true then this represents are relatively potent capability.

    [u]Mil Mi-17 ‘Hip’ / Noor[/u]
    http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6553/mi17noorxt9.jpg
    Quantity in service: ?
    Missile: C-802 Noor

    At least one test launch has been publicized, but operational status unclear. The Noor missile fitted to the Mi-17 is a modification of the ground launched version normally fired from a box launcher. This means that the launch booster and the pop-out folding fins are retained. An advantage of retaining the launch booster is slightly longer range and the ability to fire the missile at very slow speed or hover, but the down side is a rather heavy missile that must exist the helicopter very calmly to ensure that the fins don’t hit the fuselage or pylons when they pop-out split seconds after launch.

    [u]SH-3D Sea King / Sea Killer (Fajr-e-Darya)[/u]
    http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/589/sh3dhc6.jpg
    Type: Light short range anti-ship missile, helicopter launched
    Range: Approx 20km
    Guidance: Electro-optical
    Speed: Mach 0.8

    The Italian designed Sea Killer anti-ship missile was supplied to Iran with the Vosper Mk5 corvettes but was withdrawn from service in the early 1990s (replaced by C-802). However the type resurfaced in the late 1990s as the indigenous Fajr-e Darya programme, reborn as a helicopter launched missile. The programme is thought to have benefited from Chinese assistance, sometimes described by the Chinese designation FL-6. Although the missile has been paraded publicly in recent years, and seen mounted on Iranian Navy SH-3D Sea King helicopters, it seems to have been eclipsed by the Chinese C-701 and TL-10 missile types (see Kosar above).

    The missile closely resembles the Italian Marte Mk2 missile because they are both derived from the Sea Killer. The European missile uses an active radar seeker and is generally more capable.

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062595
    planeman6000
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    SHORE BATTERIES (Anti-Ship Missile)

    Operational Units:
    100+ C-802/C-802A Noor
    100+ HY-2 “Silkworm”
    ?? C-701T/C-701R “Kosar”
    ?? TL-10 “Kosar” (possibly only ship launched units)
    ?? Ra’ad, Iranian designed

    http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8748/missilesfa0.png

    C-802/C802A Noor
    http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3338/c802sidecamoxo8.jpg
    Range: 120-180km
    Maximum number of missiles per launch vehicle: 3
    Vehicle: Truck

    Iran deploys C-802s using a Chinese designed truck launcher with up to three missile boxes which are fired over the left side of the trailer. A command shelter is mounted forward of the missile turntable. The truck itself may be locally sourced, possible an Iveco.

    The C-802 family is the most potent of Iran’s anti-ship missiles being credited with generally good anti-jamming capabilities and high hit probability.

    Third party targeting and mid-course update is required to hit targets over about 60km away.

    ”Kosar”

    Also romanised “Kowsar”, this name refers to several short ranged anti-ship missile types of Chinese origin that Iran is producing. Clearly Iran is producing versions of both the C-701 and TL-10 families of missiles. Both types come in both TV and Radar seeker versions, with Infrared seekers rumored.

    Both have generally similar capabilities although the C-701 is longer ranged and its radar version, unlike the TL-10 radar version, can accept post-launch re-targeting.

    The TL-10 is thought to be employed on the China Cat missile boats whereas the C-701 has been showcased as a shore battery system in recent wargames. Both families are capable of shore, ship, helicopter and jet launch.
    http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2527/c701vtl10abj9.jpg

    C-701R quad launcher mounted on Iveco truck:
    http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8777/c701sidekt4.jpg

    Ra’ad
    http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7599/raadsidepa4.jpg
    Range: 360km
    Maximum number of missiles per launch vehicle: 1
    Vehicle: Tracked

    Developed from the HY-2 “Silkworm”, the Ra’ad (Thunder) is Iran’s first truly indigenous anti-ship missile in the minds of many observers’. Although China has developed turbojet versions of the HY-2 family, this missile does not resemble them.

    It is launched from an HY-2 launcher suggesting backwards compatibility with the obsolete HY-2. The turreted launcher in question is identical to North Korean ones.

    Comparison of Ra’ad (bottom) with HY-2:
    http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7962/hy2vraadnb4.jpg

    The missile is claimed to have a 360km range which, given its huge fuel capacity, seems reasonable. Some estimates suggest that it is mildly supersonic but I think that’s unlikely. Another observation is that the missile is not radar stealthy (not that many are) – just pre-empting the claims that some might make. The large radome suggests an active-radar seeker.

    HY-2 “Silkworm”
    http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4636/silkwormside1gz7.jpg
    Range: 95km
    Maximum number of missiles per launch launcher: 1
    Vehicle: Truck or trailer, possibly some tracked launchers

    An old missile supplied by China and subsequently locally produce, the HY-2 is still in widespread service with the IRCG, in both trailer and truck mounted launchers. Despite the useful range and huge warhead, the HY-2 is relatively slow and high flying making it easier to see and shoot down.

    Locally designed truck launcher:
    http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3223/silkwormtruck1zd9.jpg

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062598
    planeman6000
    Participant

    SUBMARINES

    Operational Units:
    3 x Kilo Class SSK, Iranian Navy, Russian built (not illustrated)
    3 x Ghadir class SSC, Iranian Navy (?), Iranian built
    1 x Nahong class SSM, Iranian Navy (?), Iranian built
    1 x Al Sabehat 15 SDV, Iranian Navy (?), Iranian built

    [u]Ghadir Class Midget Submarine[/u]
    http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4538/ghadirul6.jpg
    Quantity in Service: 3
    Dimensions: L 29m, W 2.75m
    Displacement : 120 tons dived
    Crew: ?
    Endurance: ?
    Speed (est): 11kts surfaced, 8kts submerged
    Powerplant: Diesel-electric
    Armament: 2 x 533mm (21”) torpedo tubes with 2~4 torpedoes, Skhval rocket torpedoes or 4~8 mines. Possibly submarine launched anti-ship missiles but unsubstantiated.

    Possibly of North Korean design, the Ghadir (Qadir) submarine closely resembles the North Korean “Yugo Class”, itself a derivative of Yugoslavian (now Croatian) types. One noteworthy feature is that the Ghadir appears to have conventional cruciform tail fins. Estimates of the size of this submarine vary greatly.

    These boats are credible littoral submarines well suited to mine laying, infiltration/Special Forces operation and limited anti-surface warfare. Their torpedo tubes could conceivably carry the Shkval rocket torpedo or even submarine launched anti-ship missiles which Iran reportedly has. But their sensor fit is almost certainly basic by contemporary standards limiting their potential against other subs and advanced warships. There is also no reason to suppose that they are particularly quiet and the shallow water of the Gulf is likely to leave them exposed to anti-submarine warfare.

    [b]Nahong Class midget submarine[/b]
    http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7533/nahong1er6.jpg

    Quantity in service: 1

    A small midget submarine suited to mine laying and special operations with possible limited anti-ship strike capability. Armament is likely to consist of mines carried externally although it is possible that 533mm torpedoes could also be carried in this manner as is the case with similar submarines in WW2.

    Mines could include the potent Chinese designed EM52 fast rising rocket mine which can be laid in deep water, attacking its target by firing a rocket up into the underbelly of the ship, so fast that evasive action is unlikely. The EM52’s rocket is unguided and is less sophisticated than some equivalent top-end naval mines, but it does offer Iran a serious threat to enemy shipping.

    Believed to be operational in Caspian sea but not verified.

    [b]”Al Sabehat 15” Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (Submersible)[/b]
    http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1757/minisdvsf8.jpg

    Quantity in service: 1(?)
    Length: 8m
    Crew: 2 + up to 7 additional divers
    Weapons: up to 17 Limpet mines

    A small “chariot” design typical of special forces insertion vehicles, the type is only suitable for coastal operations.

    Can be launched from a ship or under-slung from a large helicopter (Sea King, Mi-8 Hip or Chinook).

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    BOGHAMMARS

    Small craft, often based on civilian speed boats. Lightly armed with machine guns, MRLS, AAA, RPG or mines.

    Example:

    [b]MIG-G-0900 (Boghammar)[/b]
    http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/815/migg0900af7.jpg
    Quantity: 20
    Displacement: 6.4 tons
    Dimensions: L 9.3m, W 3.45m, Dr 0.6m
    Crew: 3
    Endurance: ??
    Speed: 25kt+
    Powerplant: 2 x 1260hp
    Armament: Typically 1 x 12.7mm HMG and 1×12 107mm rocket launcher (MRLS).

    Typically of locally produced small boats that have been adapted for warfare, often being labeled as “Boghammars”. The MIG-G-0900 is reportedly a catamaran, and comes in several variants including a mini-passenger ferry. The military/paramilitary version is typically equipped with a 107mm MRLS.

    The MRLS is probably the Iranian produce “Haseb”, a derivative of the Chinese designed Type-73 which has an effective range of 8.5km and has a HE-Fragmentation warheads. The rocket weighs 18.8kg rocket including the 8.3kg TNT warhead (or 6.4kg blast –fragmentation warhead), which produces a 12.5m blast radius. A 12 round salvo is fired in 8 seconds. It is not known whether the weapons mount is gyrostabilised for accuracy – if not accuracy would likely be appalling.

    Alternative armaments include RPG-7 rocket propelled grenades or 106mm recoilless rifle.

    These boats have an advantage in their small size and relative similarity to civilian types allowing them to hide among legitimate civilian fishing fleets. However their weapons are too light to be a serious concern to military vessels.

    in reply to: Bluffer's Guide: Iranian Naval Power 2007 #2062600
    planeman6000
    Participant

    FAST ATTACK CRAFT (Missile/Torpedo)

    Operational Units:
    6 Kaman Class, Iranian Navy, French Built. (10 hulls)
    10 Thondar (Houdong) Class, IRGC-N, Chinese built.
    2 SINA Class, Iranian Navy, Iranian built (1 hull awaiting fitting out)
    10 IPS-18 Tir Class, IRGC-N, North Korean built
    10 IPS-16 Peykaap Class, IRGC-N, North Korean built
    3+ Taedong-B/C class(s), ????, North Korean built
    10 (est) C-14 “China Cat” class, ????, Chinese designed (locally built)

    [u]IPS-18 Tir Class Fast Attack Craft (Torpedo)[/u]
    http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/883/stealthboat1amd5.jpg
    Quantity in Service: 10
    Displacement: 28.16 tons
    Dimensions: L 21.12m, W 5.77m, Dr 0.87m H 2.1m
    Crew: 6
    Endurance: 450nm
    Speed: 52kt
    Powerplant: 3 x 1200hp
    Armament: 2 x 533mm (21”) torpedo tubes, 1 x manned 12.7mm HMG

    Of North Korean origin, these innovative small fast attack boats are clearly designed with radar cross-section reduction in mind. A retractable radar mast further enhances their ability to hide amongst the clutter of small fishing boats and otherwise inconspicuous minor radar reflections. The stealthiness does not extend to the infrared spectrum though, with raw exhausts venting out of the rear of the boat. Nor is the only defensive weapons position well thought out in this regard, being a single pedestal mounted 12.7mm heavy machine gun which is externally crewed.

    In the right circumstances these boats represent a serious threat, but they have limited sea keeping, endurance and sensors thus limiting their combat potential in a wider conflict.

    They are potentially armed with Shkval rocket torpedo (range about 6-8km), or the Iranian YT534W1 modern heavyweight torpedo (estimated range about 20-30km), but quite possibly employ very basic unguided torpedoes.

    [u]IPS-16 “Peykaap” Fast Attack Craft (Torpedo)[/u]
    http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7352/peykaapjm5.jpg
    Quantity in Service: 10
    Displacement: 13.75 tons
    Dimensions: L 16.3m, W 3.75m, Dr 0.67m H 1.93m
    Crew: 3
    Endurance: 320nm
    Speed: 52kt
    Powerplant: 2 x 1200hp
    Armament: 2 x 324mm (12.75”) torpedo tubes, small-arms

    Delivered from North Korea though often claimed as indigenous, the Paykaap is easily perceived as the little brother to the Tir class (see above) because it has similar origin and overall characteristics but is smaller and lighter armed.

    It appears to have stealth characteristics although little attention has been paid to the IR spectrum. The torpedo tubes are mounted on either side of the cabin in a stealthy fairing. The slight bulge on top of the torpedo tubes is probably the compressed air cylinder used to eject the torpedo from the tube, and its position makes it very possible that the torpedo tubes are exactly the same as those on the Taedong-B (illustrated above).

    The small size, high speed and low radar signature make this type a potent adversary, but it lacks any meaningful self-defence weaponry should an enemy attempt to engage it. Its lightweight torpedoes are probably inadequate to sink most warships.

    [u]Semi-submersible Fast Attack Craft[/u]

    Quantity in service: 3 (est)
    1 x Taedong-B “Kajami”
    2 x Taedong-C “Gahjae”

    Iran is reported to operate a small number of North Korean designed Taedong-B and Taedong-C semi-submersible attack craft delivered in 2002. At least one such boat, thought to be a Taedong-B “Kajami”, has been publicly displayed during war-games. This appearance substantiates previous media reports but beyond that much remains speculation.

    Both types are believed to be equipped with lightweight 324mm (12.75”) torpedoes. Typical torpedoes in this size class have a range of between 6km and 10km. It is extremely unlikely that these boats will be refitted with the larger Shkval rocket torpedo or anti-ship missiles.

    It is not clear whether the attack profiles of these boats is to lay in wait submerged and then attack at high speed on the surface, or vice versa to approach at high speed then submerge for the final stage of the attack. The boats can probably dive to about 3m depth using a snort mast which remains on/near the surface. The vessel is probably capable of about 40kts on the surface and about 10kts submerged.

    Taedong-B:
    http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4343/taedongfg4.jpg

    It is reported that the Taedong-C class closely resembles the Peykaap class torpedo boat, and it may be that the Peykaap is itself the submersible boat, although that seems unlikely.

    Although these boats offer some novel tactical opportunities for Iran, they are unlikely to be successful if operating against larger warships armed with their own anti-submarine torpedoes, or fast moving targets. The lightweight torpedoes are unlikely to sink even a modest warship although obviously a successful attack could immobilize even a large warship.

    [u]“China Cat” Fast Attack Craft (Missile)[/u]
    http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6044/chinacatsp3.jpg
    Quantity in Service: 10 +
    Displacement: 19 tons
    Dimensions: L 13.65m, W 4.8m, Dr 0.7m
    Crew: 10
    Endurance: 300nm
    Speed: 55kt
    Powerplant: 2 x 1150hp
    Armament: 4 x TL-10 or C-701 Kowsar light anti-ship missiles, 1 x manned cannon (20mm?)

    10 C-14 missile armed catamarans were ordered from Chinese manufacturer CSSC in 2002, with local production. At least one vessel has been completed in a non-missile configuration and the type is offered in the Iranian defence industry’s export catalogue. The missile equipped boats appear to differ in detail from the CSSC demonstrators with a different (lesser) sensor fit.

    The C-701 missile is of Chinese origin though manufactured under license in Iran. It has a 20-25km range and can be TV or Radar guided, making it ideal for littoral combat.

    Many reports indicate that the China Cat may employ the Chinese supplied TL-10 anti-ship missile instead of the C-701 described above. The two missile types are generally similar in overall size and capability, albeit different designs. Both come with a range of seekers and minor sub-versions tailored to specific customer needs.

    The boats pack an enormous punch for their size and have apparently superb sea keeping for their size (though by no means ocean going vessels), but their air defence is conspicuously lacking.

    [u]SINA Class Missile Boat[/u]
    http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8751/sinasidetn6.jpg
    Quantity: 2 (plus 1 building)
    Displacement: 300 tons
    Dimensions: L 47m, W 7m, Dr 2m
    Crew: ??? (est 31)
    Speed: 35kt
    Powerplant: 4 x 3,500hp diesels
    Armament: 4 x C-802 “Noor” anti-ship missiles, 1 x 76mm Gun, 1 40mm AAA (crewed), 2 x 12.7mm HMG (crewed)

    The first SINA class boat, Peykan, became operational in 2006 followed by a second unit, Joshan. Reverse engineered Combattante-II (Kaman class) boats the only obvious external difference is the main radar.

    The 76mm is a locally produced version of the OTO-Melara 76mm gun fitted to the Kamans.

    [u]Kaman Class Missile Boat[/u]
    http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2761/kamanside3dw5.jpg
    Quantity in service: 6 (est). (10 total hulls still available)
    Displacement: 275-300 tons
    Dimensions: L 47m, W 7m, Dr 2m
    Crew: 31
    Speed: 36kt
    Powerplant: 4 x 3,500hp diesels
    Armament: 4 x C-802 “Noor” anti-ship missiles, 1 x 76mm Gun, 1 40mm AAA (crewed), 2 x 12.7mm HMG (crewed).

    Delivered from France and previously equipped with US supplied Harpoon missiles, these boats were re-armed with the Chinese C-802 missile in the late 1990s. 10 hulls remain but only 6 are thought to be operational. One has been used for tests, being at one time equipped with Standard SM-1 missiles.

    [u]Thondar Class Missile Boat[/u]
    http://i13.tinypic.com/67wykqu.jpg
    Quantity in service: 10
    Displacement: 205 tons
    Dimensions: L 33.6m, W 7.6m, Dr 2.7m
    Crew: 28
    Speed: 35kt
    Powerplant: 3 x 8,000bhp diesels
    Armament: 4 x C-802 “Noor” anti-ship missiles, 1 x twin 30mm AAA, 1 x twin 23mm AAA (crewed)

    Often referred to by their Chinese name, Houdong class, these boats were delivered from China in the mid 1990s, and are operated by the IRGC-N.

    in reply to: New Iranian anti-ship missile 350km range #1799407
    planeman6000
    Participant

    This isnt that new, I first saw this about two years ago I think. Supposedly it comes with its own lamd based radar for targeting but I have never managed to find a picture of it.

    Agreed, but it is only now becoming clear that it is operational and not just a slow burn R&D/propoganda exercise. Previous videos of the firing etc made it impossible to determine that it wasn’t an HY-2. At any rate it’s only now being paraded in public for the press so I thought the news was pretty fresh.

    Despite it’s (claimed) great range, I can’t see this as an improvement over the C-802 Noor already in service. Iran’s capability to provide targetting at 350km is somewhat suspect anyway.

    So I reckon this is really just a line replacement for the existing HY-2 units, allowing Iran to field more ‘modern’ AShMs at a lower unit cost than replacing the HY-2 launchers with C-802s.

    Interestingly enough, the tracked launcher it is shown on is very close if not identical to the ones used by North Korean HY-2s. Suggests a Korean import, although aybe both Iran and North Korea got them from China(?). Not sure if the chassis itself is Iranian.

    in reply to: New Iranian anti-ship missile 350km range #1799410
    planeman6000
    Participant

    Iran with a arsenal of 500 brahmos and klubs fired from land based TELs should
    be pretty interesting. both their seekers have a ~50km of the range and in
    the confined waters of gulf and north arabian sea, they can fire into certain boxes (where F18s are streaming in from 😮 ) and hope to have the ASMs lock on to various targets including warships without any mid course updates or LRMP radar target spotting( which the USN CAPs can easily defeat ).

    should be as simple sw fix to have the Klub stay silent for 100km, then go active search on radar, going silent again if painted by a hostile X-band radar, if it picks a juicy looking return, drop the 2nd stage and go supersonic else shut the radar and continue onward 😀

    People speculate that Iran has better anti-ship/LACMs such as Brahmos/Yakhont, Klub or Sunburn. A persistant rumour is that they have sub-launched Sunburn… hmmmmm…..

    People on Iranian defence orientated websites talk as if all that is fact. BUT, there is no compelling evidence that I have ever seen to support any of this. Same as stories of Iran having S-300 SAMs.

    If I had to speculate about which of these types was most likely, I’d have to say sub-sonic anti-ship versions of the Klub submarine launched sytem for their Kilo subs, just as India and China have. That’d be a huge capability leap for Iran but is unlikely IMo. Instead I’d guess that their sub-launched anti-ship missiles are of the C-801/2 variety purchased from China and launched from their Ghadir mini-sub. That’s my guess.

    They are known to have recieved a small number of ‘Kent’ LACMs from corrupt Ukrainian officials which would have R&D value but hardly give Iran an operational capability.

    in reply to: Iranian Navy pics and Questions #2063589
    planeman6000
    Participant

    Mowj:
    http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9464/mowjsidekx3.jpg

    No apparent SAM but CIWS in front of mast looks like a Phalanx copy. :confused:

    in reply to: Iranian Navy pics and Questions #2063720
    planeman6000
    Participant

    SINA-I missile boat (reverse engineered Comb’II)
    http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3809/kamansinabb7.jpg
    1 in service, 2 more building.

    Identical to Kaman class (Comb’II) of which about 6 are active (4 assume inactive).

    SSMs are C-802s, main gun is a reverse engineered OTO-Melara 76mm, rear gun is probably a Bofors 40mm (exactly as per the Kamen).

    I’m surprised that they didn’t complete the SINA units with upgraded air-defences, and maybe 8 rather than 4 SSMs.

    in reply to: Iranian Frigate Moudge or Mowj???? #2063795
    planeman6000
    Participant

    Hmmm from all that I have reasd it seems that it is an advanced copy (or at least a reversed engineered and updated copy) of the Alvand Corvette of which there are a few pics around.

    One site (linked below) has reference to an advanced AK-176 76mm gun coupled with 8x SS-N-22’s. Conversly there is a second design that has a 100mm gun with 8x C-803’s and both have different radars.

    Above Top Secret Forum.

    Incidently this thread also ties in with the other Iranian thread we have here.

    The Above Top Secret thread is misleading. I was the person speculating AK-176 as the main gun if it used primarily Russian systems; that was shortlybefore the Iranian OTO-Melara 76mm copy was anounced.

    Re the model, a helipad but no hanger, and no apparent SSMs(?).

    The diesel only powerplant agrees with the Diomil specs. I’ll post a revised artist’s impression based on the ‘new’ model shortly.

    EDIT: I’m confused because that model appears to be different from the top-down view on Google Earth

    in reply to: Iranian Navy pics and Questions #2063796
    planeman6000
    Participant

    Did a biyt more digging around, hope this helps you guys…

    Above Top Secret Forum

    Cheers, nice find…. (I’m the author of that thread, lol).

    in reply to: Iranian Navy pics and Questions #2064281
    planeman6000
    Participant

    Combattante-II FAC in Caspian Sea port, presumably the locally produced copy Sina (P-224 Paykan):
    http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2198/sinafacwb8.png
    😀

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