great charts Radar
Qatari Emiri Naval Forces (QENF)
Goalkeeper and Sadral. That’s gotta be one of the best defended FACs in the world. Crickey.
realistically, what is the ‘typical’ Russian CBG right now? I know that Peter the Great often accompany’s Kuznetsov but what else?
cheers. Do the USMC squadrons ‘only’ do ground attack or do they share the fleet air-defense in the routine course of events? Also, do USMC have Super-Hornets yet?
thanks Totoro. So a typical air wing right now is something like:
12 x F-18E Super-Hornet
12 x F-18F Super-Hornet
24 x F-18C Hornet
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48 Hornets in total
Does that include USMC squadrons deployed on the carriers or should they be added to the list for the typical air wing?
What mix of F-18C/Ds and F-18E/Fs will it have? Like are all Hornet squadrons already flying Super-Hornets or are the carriers still going to sea with a mix of Hornets and Super-Hornets.
Another question; obviously the Hornets are multi-role but do different squadrons specialise in say strike and air-defense? If so, what’s the mix on a typical voyage?
Re Admiral kuznetsov, how many AK-630s does it have and where are they positioned? Some sources say 6, some say 8, but I can only see 4 (one each side at rear and two on port side amidships).
Also, all the photos show the Kashtan’s without missiles. Do it’s Kashtan’s carry missiles?
anyone know what the typical air wing of CDG is now? Numbers and types 🙂
Not blindly arguing my case but I’m not sure what you’re saying discounts the argument for ARM guidance Jonesy.
The initial targeting issue is moot. You can fire an ARM using exactly the same launch triggers as a regular AR anti-ship missile. In both cases they are LOAL even at relatively short ranges. So the ARM approaches the target as per an AR missile then scans for emissions.
And the multi-platform solution you describe is truly a best-case scenario that only relatively few navies can hope to emulate for many years to come. If your enemy is USN, well whatever you try is up against stiff competition, but if your neighbour has a modest navy, well 24-7 UAV coverage and good comms discipline are well, less likely.
Another assumption would be that ARMs actually target the antenna. Altitude offsets/lateral (to hit the optimum part of the ship) and coupling with IIR tech is just SOFTWARE. It’s cheep and easy except for testing.
Scenario. ARM-AShM is launched following similar profile to regular anti-ship missile. The enemy fleet has numerous measures to detect the missile, or part of it’s launch (illumination from launch platform or targeting platform, radio altimeter emissions, etc etc). The enemy detects the attack and either:
a) turns on all it’s AD radars, attempts to illuminate the attacking missile for intercept with guns and missiles.
b) does nothing.
In case A) it has made itself a beacon. In B), well that’s hardly what a commander would do(?).
Its a C3 Planeman!. The gun is not there for air defence as C3 isnt going anywhere its likely to come under significant air threat unescorted.
Why is a Mk8 inadequate for shore bombardment. The differences between a US 5″ mount and the Mk8 are minimal and with the new, and reasonably inexpensive, base-bleed rounds it can reach out 27km which is plenty good enough and only a few kms off a standard 155mm reach!.
Re “C3 isnt going anywhere its likely to come under significant air threat unescorted.” I disagree. RN’s track record also disagrees. If these aren’t combatants then why do they need a gun at all???
Re Mk8, as you say it’d need development of new ammo, and it’s not that inexpensive the way the UK does things. New-build Mk8s are going to be expensive anyway, and reusing old ones won’t do the whole fleet and would delay time-frames unless you want either the C3 or the previous owner to be floating around without the gun for years due to refit schedules.
I recall that in late 1990s base-bleed rounds were much more expensive than non-base-bleed ones – it’s about who is making how many not just materials. Even with base-bleed we are still talking about being within the radar-horizon of shore based AShMs.
The 127mm isn’t any better unless you buy Volcano. Now 155mm would do good shore bombardment if you have extended-range ammo.
27km is about what the Israeli Saar-5 was at.
But, if shore bombardment isn’t required or too expensive, go lighter to 76mm or 57mm, at least then you can get to “CIWS” and still do anti-piracy or whatever you need the gun for.
The ship, by the apparent consensus here, should have the Mk8 4.5in gun.
A stupid move. Inadequate for air defence and inadequate for shore bombardment.
I’ve still to see an obvious IR transparency in the nose of that weapon that would make me believe there is an IR seeker there. Unless its in the blister on the top of the weapon that is?. I wouldn’t put the technical capability beyond the Taiwanese, but, it is another one I remain to be convinced of.
yes the IR seeker is in the fairing on top.
the white things look like loud speakers. Not very sexy but there you go.
Looks like a Type-054A going by the bridge but with a different bow more like O52s. Suggest a *new* FFG or DDG type.