No.2 A.A.C.U.Elliott,
Thank you for the marvelous updates they really are an inspiration. That spar centre section detail really gives a scale to the task ahead, well done and I look forward to your further updates.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Ahhh – too slow again, as an aside would anyone know of a supply for this type of plate, I need a small amount for the step to the front of the TTO fold up seat on the Martinet.
Regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Richard,
Whilst no expert and difficult to say without a scale your first item looks like the tread from a flip up foot hole for pilot access. The attached photo details the unit from a Martinet. Can you confirm the size?
Regards,
Tim
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No.2 A.A.C.U.Hello Gateguard,
I believe that is the location for the target towing control panel. Drop me a PM with your e-mail address and I will send over some details.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.The ‘Another American Type’ Look P-47 to me Alan.
Vultee pedals are from a Valiant and don’t quote me but I think those British Type NO.1 may be Piston Provost.
TT
TT,
Could the Vultee pedals also be from a Vengeance? I am no expert but they look very similar or perhaps a universal part?
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Well, knock me over with a feather, I think you’re on to something again, Tim!
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Alan,
Yes that is certainly the part………….now all we need to find is the support brackets, if anyone has seen any I would love to hear from them…….
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Tim
Sorry, I meant to ask you, is the data on the Martinets posted based on the RAF Movement cards? I’m just thinking of other ways of finding out more about the Unit.
Thanks
Andrew
Morning Andrew,
Yes I have a full set of Martinet movement cards which have been cross referenced with the accident cards (Cat Ac – Cat E) currently in the process of reviewing the unit ORB’s and available log book entries for additional information. It is quite a large task so is taking some time.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Hello Alan,
That seat adjuster handle looks very Martinet / Master, I will check when I get in and e-mail you the AP. If it is I would be very interested if it becomes available!
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Wasn’t that also known in the RAF as a monkey chain (or monkey harness)?
WP
Thanks for that information it is beginning to make sense.
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Aircraft if that strap ever becomes available I would be very interested.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Hi Alan & Dave,
Thanks for the additional information that is really useful. Alan if you do locate the quick release naturally I would be interested.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Hi Tim,
Just out of interest my copy of AP1086 Section 6F dated 20th March 1958 gives the following for 6F/166: Anchorages, Observers complete; consists of 6F/160 forks, swivel and 6F/96 quick release
Unfortunately 6F/182 isn’t listed in this revision date issue.
Hope that helps
Regards
Dave
Hello Dave,
Thank you for the additional information, does AP1086 include an illustration of these parts?
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply.
Wow, so much information. Martin turret, Fairey Battle, P47, etc. All expressions of interest have been duly noted and I’ll reply in due course. Please be patient.
Looking at B 17man’s photo, I think I may have another piece of Martin turret. I’ll post a photo tomorrow if I get the chance.
Hi Tim,
Not part of the garage clearout but I’ve a feeling I may have one (or parts of). I’ll be in touch.
Hi Alan,
Thanks that would be appreciated the AP has this observer type harness noted for the TTO position along with 6F/182. Will look forward to hearing from you when you have waded through all the correspondence (mine included!)
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Hello Andrew,
Thank you for the ORB entry that is additional to my files which have now been updated. I will look forward to seeing how your research develops.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Andrew,
Please find detailed below my Martinet notes which include possible reference to 1690 BDTF. A number are assumed following the renumbering of 1485 BDTF if you do come across any Martinet references I would be interested in updating my files.
HN876 P & Powis 1690/ C23c Mercury XXX 16.09.42 39 M.U., Colerne; 13.10.42 1485 (Target Towing) Flight, Coningsby; 18.12.42 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby; 16.02.43 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage, 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby aircrafts undercarriage collapsed on landing. Pilot Flying Officer NOCK, Peter William Wilson (62332) Uninjured, Unknown T.T.O. Uninjured. Accident time13.00, Duty: Target Towing; 20.02.43 Repaired on Site; 18.04.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 29.06.43 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck, when taxying for take off aircraft struck Martinet HN879. Pilot Flying Officer EYRE, Malcolm Albert (111548) Uninjured. Accident time 08.44, Duty: Taxying; 23.09.43 Repaired on Site; 02.10.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Skellingthorpe; 12.11.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston; 26.02.44 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston disbands; 15.02.44 Poss (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Syerston; 04.04.44 48 M.U. Hawarden; 21.03.46 48 M.U., Hawarden Home Census; 30.12.48 Sold as scrap to H. Bath & Son.
HN877 P & Powis 1690/ C23c Mercury XXX 13.09.42 39 M.U., Colerne; 14.10.42 1485 (Target Towing) Flight, Coningsby; 18.12.42 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby; 08.03.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 18.07.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck aircraft involved on a standard corkscrew fighter affiliation exercise with Wellington BK235 when F/O JORDON approx 200yrds astern saw the starboard wing of the Wellington break off outboard of the starboard engine which swung round and broke off the tailplanes, elevators, rudder and rear turret crashing at 16:25 Hrs; 23.08.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Skellingthorpe; 12.11.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston; 15.02.44 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage, 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston starboard brake failed aircraft rolled forward port undercarriage leg went into ditch and aircraft nosed over. Pilot Flying Officer GRAHAM, James Scott (145862) Uninjured. Accident time 10.30, Duty: Gunnery Training; 23.02.44 Repaired on Site; 17.03.44 RAF Syerston, Poss (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Syerston; 09.12.44 M.I. Miles A/c Reading; 13.12.44 Repaired in Works Cat B Miles A/c; 16.03.45 Awaiting Collection; 22.03.45 1335 (Meteor) Conversion Unit, Colerne; 27.07.45 1335 (Meteor) Conversion Unit, Molesworth; 06.12.45 39 M.U., Colerne; 21.03.46 39 M.U., Colerne Home Census; 04.12.46 S.O.C.
HN878 P & Powis 1690/ C23c Mercury XXX 17.09.42 39 M.U., Colerne; 14.10.42 1485 (Target Towing) Flight, Coningsby; 18.12.42 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby; 08.03.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 23.08.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Skellingthorpe; 12.11.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston; 26.02.44 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston disbands; 15.02.44 Poss (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Syerston; 13.07.44 (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Scampton; 27.06.44 (?)1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Metheringham; 13.04.45 M.I. Miles A/c; 08.06.45 Awaiting Collection; 02.07.45 48 M.U., Hawarden; 21.01.47 48 M.U., Hawarden storage; 14.02.49 Sold as scrap to J Dale.
HN879 P & Powis 1690/ C23c Mercury XXX 18.09.42 39 M.U., Colerne; 14.10.42 1485 (Target Towing) Flight, Coningsby on taxying starboard wheel ran over soft earth and sank into ground, undercarriage buckled and collapsed. Pilot Flt / Lt REY, C.S.J. (72541) Uninjured. Accident time 10.00, Duty: Taxying; 18.12.42 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby; 08.02.43 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage, 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby whilst taxying Starboard wheel sank into soft ground, buckled and collapsed. Pilot Flight Lieutenant REY, C.S.J. (72541) Uninjured. Accident time 10.00, Duty: Taxying; 16.02.43 Repaired on Site; 07.03.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 22.03.43 Flying Accident Cat A damage 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck whilst taxying aircraft left perimeter track and port wheel sunk into loosely filled trench causing the aircraft to tip onto nose. Pilot Flying Officer JORDON, William Francis (128675) Uninjured. Accident time: 12.15, Duty: Air Gunner Training; Unknown date of Repair; 29.06.43 Flying Accident Cat Ac damage 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck, when taxying for takeoff aircraft struck by Martinet HN876. Pilot P/O TAYLER, Denis Graham William (141476) Uninjured. Accident time 08.44, Duty: Taxying; 07.07.43 Repaired on Site; 16.07.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 12.11.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston; 26.02.44 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston disbands; 15.02.44 Poss (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Syerston; 04.04.44 48 M.U. Hawarden; 21.03.46 48 M.U., Hawarden Home Census; 10.12.48 Sold as scrap to H. Bath & Son.
HN880 P & Powis 1690/ C23c Mercury XXX 18.09.42 39 M.U., Colerne; 14.10.42 1485 (Target Towing) Flight, Coningsby; 18.12.42 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Coningsby; 07.03.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 12.11.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston; 26.02.44 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Syerston disbands; 15.02.44 Poss (?) 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Syerston; 04.04.44 48 M.U. Hawarden; 21.03.46 48 M.U., Hawarden Home Census; 10.12.48 Sold as scrap to H. Bath & Son.
HP321 P& Powis 1690 / C 23 (c) Mercury XXX 13.02.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 27.07.43 Flying Accident Cat A damage, 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck aircrafts undercarriage unable to be locked down due to faulty locking device aircraft made bellylanding at Fulbeck. Pilot Squadron Leader CROSS, Douglas John Baker (45039) Uninjured. Accident time 12.30, Duty: Training; Unknown date of repair and return to1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Fulbeck; 23.08.43 1485 (Bombing) Gunnery Flight, Skellingthorpe; 24.11.43 R.A.F. Syerston; Unknown date to 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight; 12.09.44 Flying Accident Cat E damage, 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Scampton aircrafts engine failed in flight and aircraft crashed while attempting emergency landing at RAF Hicknall. Pilot Warrant Officer GRAHAM, Ambrose Alexander (Trinidad) (1391860) Killed, T.T.O. Leading Aircraftman LEWIS, Victor Ernest (1454475) died of his injuries; 25.09.44 ReCat E2 damage
HP392 P& Powis 1690 / C 23 (c) Mercury XXX 07.03.43 16 O.T.U., Upper Heyford; 17.10.43 Flying Accident Cat B damage, 16 O.T.U., Barford St John aircraft involved in collision on ground with Wellington BK402, two aircraft in air given ‘green’ to land and aircraft on ground (Wellington) was given ‘green to take off, landing aircraft struck rear of Wellington having failed to see red warning flare. Pilot Flight Lieutenant GRAY, Basil Howard D.F.C. (R.N.Z.A.F.) (41477) Uninjured. Accident time 20.25, Duty: Training Note: Citation Distinguished Flying Cross (15 Feb 1943): [70 Sqn RAF (Wellington)] Flying Officer Gray has participated in many operational sorties, a number of which were against heavily defended targets at Tobruk. One night in November, 1942, after taking part in a bombing raid on enemy tank concentrations he descended to within 50 feet and made a machine gun attack on the enemy’s mechanical transport. Two vehicles and a petrol bowser were seen to burst into flames. Flying officer Gray is a most successful and daring captain who has shown exceptional tenacity in seeking out his targets. Flt Lt Gray flew 44 sorties with 70 Sqn in the Mediterranean theatre.; 22.10.43 Repaired in Works, Phillip & Powis; 02.12.43 Awaiting Collection; 24.12.43 19 O.T.U., Kinloss; 28.09.44 1690 Bomber (Defence) Training Flight, Metheringham; 17.12.44 39 M.U., Colerne; 21.03.46 39 M.U., Colerne Home Census; 22.01.47 S.O.C.
Kind regards,
Tim
No.2 A.A.C.U.Hello Alan,
The bottom ‘throttle quadrant’ is a Miles Martinet control box and I am absolutely delighted to see it – e-mail on it’s way. By the way does any of your harnesses carry a 6F/166 reference?
Kind regards,
Tim
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