I wonder how rigorous the workers control is? I just want a tiny little snap from the outside,nothing more:) 😀
Google Earth has updated with some new high-rez imagery. Some of the new things you can find include:
-three Typhoon SSBNs
-Severomorsk-1 airfield
-pretty much anything in Germany, since the whole country is now high-rez
-A MiG-23 and an SA-5 site in Syria
Hey SOC do you have the coordinates for the Typhoons?
Havent you ever watched Star Trek? We already did it! 😀
Croatian army never had any Stinger missiles.
Just SA-7 and SA-16.
The G-4 was hit by SA-7 over Lika (south province of Croatia), and landed in occupied part of Croatia (airport of Udbina).
Woops,i ment to say Strela instead of Stinger:)
Very nice photos!
One question though,what are those starts below the cockpit?Sucessfull missile launches or?
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Merci!
Ok the subformums are gone,we cant do anything about it.
However i do not understand why the webmasters didnt give like a 2-3 days notice so we can save the photos and text that was interesting to us :confused:
🙁 😮 😡
You guys forgot to ask people that mostly/only post in Army and Navy part of the forum about their opinion.
As you will realise,you made many people dissapointed…
The thing is,no one can proove anything as of yet. The only thing we can do is draw conclusions from the data available.
If our Mig-29s had radars that were functioning properly and if other crucial systems were operational,then they might have(i repeat might) have at least stood a better chance then being shot out of the sky without even acquiring enemy.
If Russians knew that exporting downgraded Migs would damage the reputation of their aviation industry,i think they would have changed their export policy.In that way,they also were unable to test how their own versions of Migs for example would perform in combat with modern western fighters,as the downgraded versions performed poorly.
Who knows how the Russian made airplanes would have performed during Operation Desert Storm,if they havent defected to Iran :confused:
What lame way of proving something.
Check this, According to Yefim Gordon, the Russian daily Krasnaya Zveda (Red Star) reported that Mister Gvozden spoted visually the F-117 and fire an AA-11 Archer from his MiG-29.
He goes into say Slobodan Milosevic awarded the medal, first prove Gordon wrong, how you can prove him wrong? Krasnaya Zveda must have that statement, probably pictures, Milosevic`s award to Gvozden must have a report not only in Russia but also in Serbia, if he really awarded the medal and if there is photo evidence in Serbia or Russia and media and offical acknowledgement this proves Gordon righ, if not well he is wrong.
But that is even easier if you get a Serbian offical statement saying no Serbian MiG-29 shot down an F-117.
If Krasnaya Zvezda has photos of F-117 being shot down by Mig-29 and Gvozden getting a medal for doing that,then CNN must have the video of Milosevic ordering ethnic cleansing. :rolleyes:
Just leave the topic Flogger,it was discussed many times before.You can search the forum and find topics that discuss how many airplanes have(have not) been shot down etc.
Even us Serbs,know that unfortenutely not more than 2 airplanes were shot down.However,more were likely damaged.
Do you know who engaged it?
I see there is a star symbol on the flag. Is it a JRViPVO aircraft? Was this before Belgrade decided to step out of RS’ and RSK’s campaigns, or did the RVRS use former JRViPVO aircraft?
As i recall,this aircraft was hit by a Stinger missile used by Croatian Army. I believe it is from JRViPVO it needed to land at Udbine airport due to damage,in then existing RSK,it got repaired there.
Yeah,it looks kinda Tomahawk-ski 😀
JAG, 5 Serbain Mig-29s were shot down in ’99.As everyone knows,and as discussed before,they obviously had no chance.
Mig-29 has never performed well due to as someone mentioned before,it wasnt used for the tasks it was intened for and the lack of training (especially by Arab pilots). The problem of early Mig-29s was lack of a good radar which reduced the chances of detecting the enemy before being detected youself.
A superb dogfighting airplane,but in an environment highly dependant on BVR engagement,it all depends on the technology built in the airframe and tactics used.
whats the case whit the Yugoslavian missiles, couse sometimes you see tehm referred as ‘Brom’?? Is this a local name for locally made variation or just local name for standard Russian build missiles??
The coastal artillery batteries had both surface-to-surface missiles and guns. Yugoslavia operated the Soviet-designed SS-C-3 and a truck-mounted, Yugoslav-produced Brom antiship missile. The latter was essentially a Yugoslav variant of the Soviet SS-N-2. Coastal guns included over 400 88mm, 122mm, 130mm, and 152mm artillery pieces obtained from the Soviet Union, the United States, postwar Germany, and Yugoslav manufacturers.
BROM mobile ASM system (a Yugoslav-produced version of the Soviet SS-N-2A/B/C/D / SSC-3 Styx; Russian designations: P-15 Termit 4K40 P-20,21,22,27 Rubezh). Developed in 1954, deployed in 1958. Operated by Yugoslavia, Russia, and 17 other countries.
1 – SS-N-2A
2 – SS-N-2B
3 – SS-N-2C
4 – SS-N-2D
Length(m) 1 -5.8; 2 – 5.8; 3 – 6.55; 4 – 6.55; Body Diameter (m) 1 -0.76; 2 – 0.76; 3 – 0.76; 4 – 0.76; Wingspan (m) 1 -2.4; 2 – 2.4; 3 – 2.4; 4 – 2.4 Launch Weight (kg) 1 -2,300; 2 – 2,300; 3 – 2,500; 4 – 2,600 Range (km) 1 -45; 2 – 80; 3 – 85; 4 – 100 Guidance: Auto pilot, Active radar Auto Pilot, IR Auto pilot, Active radar or IR; Propulsion: Liquid; Warhead: 454kg HE hollow charge; Designer: Raduga Design Bureau
I cannot authenticate the following account or the photos included.
According to a former JRViPVO or RVRS (?) pilot, these photos show the only RVRS J-21 JASTREB (serial no. 24275) which survived and recovered at Udbina airbase in Krajina following the encounter with four USAF F-16Cs over Bosnia on 28 February 1994. The aircraft was damaged by an AIM-9 proximity explosion and later suffered an engine failure due to fuel starvation while on final approach. Apparently, the aircraft was later repaired and received a new serial number (image no. 3).
One Galeb G-4 also returned to Udbine AB after a sortie during which it was hit by a Stinger missile.The tail was replaced and the airplane brought back to service.
This photo represents the damaged tail section now on display in Yugoslav Air Force museum (http://www.muzejrv.org/index.html)