Correct me if I am wrong, but I can’t recall if the UK Apaches will have been used in a more potentially hostile environment where an opponent might have access to higher quality defenses than they have seen before ?
Looks like my suggestion re Ocean and its resident Apaches was correct.
They are to be deployed to Libya “within days” according to the Telegraph
How often have Apaches been used from a Naval Vessel before on actual live fire operations?
So how well will they do ?
Target rich environment ?
Manpads or larger systems to be concerned about ?
Any Worries about heavy machine guns on the ground ?
Is there sufficient combat search and rescue ?
There must be operational range worries, as Libya is very large and Ocean will still be some way off shore ?
Anything else ?
Did you see todays main story from STN ? 4 Chinooks, Marine 1 and Marine 2 along with 2 Police Helicopters ? I saw them just before 12 at distance with my bins.
So how are they going to store the helicopter ? Surely they are not going to lift it into the hold with that large Midships crane ? 😮
Interesting. People keep saying that opeational experience is showing what a game changer the Apache is. It would never surprise me if a further tranche of perhaps another squadron was purchased. With the apparent success of Brimstone in Libya, how long before that is integrated to the Apache as well as a heavier weight missile than the Hellfire ?
While on the subject; Ocean is close to Libya. Is that why the Apaches are on board ? The wording of the exercise suggests its something like that’ “The exercise is to help prepare the Royal Navy’s Response Force Task Group to respond on short notice to pop-up crises.”
It all seem’s to have gone quiet on this doesn’t it ? I guess that was inevitable
It always struck me as funny that they spent billions on an EH101 Presidential helicopter that never happened….perhaps it was buried in that budget
You may be onto someting there………… Congressional enquiry fodder ?
If the photo of that wreckage of the main rotor head and gearbox in the compound is legit, then there is no sign of the main chassis of the aircraft at all. Normally some aluminum frame parts survive a fire even if they are melted. This ‘might’ suggest that the whole airframe was composite with perhaps any important structural metal bits being titanium, which would also burn. A completely composite stealth airframe would not be out of the question by any means, so perhaps it was a completely rebodied Blackhawk derivative as suggested up thread ?
How many Jaguars are there in storage ? I saw about a dozen being moved up the A12 on trucks for scrapping (or to Everretts) not long after they left service.
I have been there many times over the years including far too many times to the old terminal. Its usually an airbridge, but anything is possible on a busy day 😉
Agree about the stupid terminal prices as well.
Can it really only be £80m a year ? The annual salaries of the crew of the ship and FFA on board are going to be the wrong side of £50m before you start thinking about the actual costs of running the ship and aircraft, weapons etc. You will also need a couple of Frigates in attendance plus RFA’s, but I guess some of their costs would have had to have been paid anyway.
Maybe there were a lot of things excluded in that £80m.
Yes I think that I agree, some folks regularly criticise the French for many things, but they have gone well beyond what might have been normally expected to retrieve the data. There are many countries that would not have attempted this even if they had the capability.
I very much suspect that they will go for a 4 engined aircraft and it will be cheap, hence a C-130 derivative being most likely.
I guess its the Helicopter thats going to be one of the main issues as others have said desite the above. One of the questions will be if it can be considered advisable to operate in that part of the world without one ? I suspect it probably isn’t, in which case a small refit seems possible, despite the short charter. Remove the cranes, build a platform and fit one of the cheap tent Hanger jobbies like they did with the Bays ? It would be chilly, but it might work.
After that then they need to buy into someone elses programme. Interestingly I believe that what happens in the Falklands re the Oil situation may also be a significant factor and they may be waiting to see how that pans out in the next 2-3 years before making a final decision on what to do. The future position there will be much clearer by 2014. Maybe we could end up with a ‘Grey funnel line’ icebreaker ? :eek:;)
The BBC are reporting the French government saying “airstrikes will begin in hours.”