I can’t believe this thread has generated so much heat so quickly. I am keeping my head down as I will admit to knowing nothing about the F124/125, but am learning fast, so thanks. 🙂
I do like the phz2000 deck cargo and have occasionally wondered if any navy has every fired something like that from the deck in a temporary fire support role ? (D-day perhaps ?) No doubt numerous amounts of shoreing up of the deck and tying down of the artillery piece would be needed. :diablo:
I think Steve’s a great poster as well. At least we don’t have any mindless ‘mines bigger than your debates’ unlike elsewhere on here, without being able to back it up with an interlectually sound argument.
I suspect that the bean counters at the MOD are currently crunching the numbers to re-work the cost of the CVF now that France has come on board for a 3rd boat as their will be savings. It will probably come down a bit from what it was before, but 2-2.8 billion Euros each as a minimum I would suggest
1.4 Billion Euros !! Thats a lot of money, and not far short of the UK CVF’s.
Interesting design, the best pictures being on page 2. I bet they were sick of people cracking the funnies about the way they launched it with something important missing 😀
Its nice of someone to have set up such a good English language website with so much detail 😀
I saw some costings on this relating to the movement of heavy oilfield equipment to remote places and it looked very good value compared to trucks, but as djcross says its not the running costs that the obsticle, its the capital cost and the basic infrastructure thats the issue which requires a major spend. Unless X years guarenteed work could be found, I think the economics were tenuous
Not enough attention is being paid in this thread on Russia and China. They are key and have no interest in seeing the current Iranian regeme overthrown (well maybe Russia at a push). I suspect that both are currently applying enormous diplomatic pressure on Iran to avoid conflict.
If conflict starts, many observers have commented that the position will just be too complex to work out how the final cards will fall, due to among many other things, The Shiite position, China getting a large percentage of its oil from Iran, Russia having closer ties with Iran and being involved with its nuclear program, The Israeli question (another potential can of worms) , The world oil price, American public reaction and domestic politics, and Iran is not exactly known for how predictable its reactions will be on anything.
I am reasonably confident that Russia and China will sort this out long before the question of force comes to the fore.
How easy are reloads on the Astors ? Presumably they can be done at sea in short order
Bager1968 said
“The current USAF plans include always having a manned aircraft in the area that can remotely over-ride the UCAV computer if necessary”
Presumably with an AIM-9M or similar ? :diablo: 😀
Looks like the front gear was completely intact so analysis of the fault should have been relatively easy
The captain said the same in the interview I heard. I ‘think’ that batch of type 42’s were only officially rated at 29 so obviously its still in fine fettle
I just heard an interview with the Captain on the radio. It sounded very exciting
Much needed, nearly everywhere else in the world is a long way away from where they are based and jets make real sense
There was a story in one ofthe UK newspapers 3-4 years ago suggesting that the chinese had done exactly as Cliff suggests and had been able to detect stealthy aircraft on its borders. I have seen it quoted that if an aircraft flys between transmitter and a sensitive reciever the receiver will detect the reduced signal, even if its a stealth craft regardless of the coating.
Douggie, you have gone off at a tangent there, my fault, my apologies for not making my point clearer. I was really just saying that a much smaller well designed ship with a much smaller crew can operate two modern rotary wings without significant increases in manpower (your original point) and that the type 45 could do the same if they sorted the packaging. The Merlin doesn’t need much maintenance compared to machines of old. A few have self deployed to Iraq, and I am sure I read of one MOD Merlin flying unsupported 4000 miles to south of the equator into Africa last year and returning.
I do take your point as to the question of whether the T45 actually needs two, and as they stand they will no doubt suffice. However, more navies are taking the twin parking space option regardless of the configuration of the vessel as more rotary wings give them more capability. There is also at the back of all their minds the possibility that they will carry UAV’s in the future but that technology is not fully mature and what configurations they will finally be when deployed on frigates and destroyers is anyones guess, but you can bet they will probably need a parking space.
Not sure I necessarily agree with the twin copter issues. The Merlin is one of the lowest support helicopters made.
I know it serves a different role with a lighter weapons fit to the type 45 and not necessarily a global reach, but the much praised and stealthy HMDS Esbern Snare manages to operate two EH101 with a crew of 100 and it is 12.5 metres shorter and a couple of metres narrower than a type 45. That kind of vessel shows what can be done with innovative design and packaging. It also has the boat deck shutters which are a good idea.
I don’t think a twin ‘copter set-up on the T45 is a non-starter, it will all depend on need and the political will.
Sealord, True 😀 It will be good at what its designed to do.
In addition to SteveO’s wish list; the ability to fire a full size torpedo would be nice, but that should be on the later ships.