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Date Posted: 28-Mar-2007

JANE’S NAVY INTERNATIONAL – MAY 01, 2007

Pakistan, Turkey sign research, technology and development MoU

Farhan Bokhari

Pakistan and Turkey have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to collaborate in naval research, technology and development.

No details of the MoU were revealed officially following the signing of the agreement on 26 March, during a visit to the Pakistan Navy’s headquarters in Islamabad by the Commander of the Turkish Naval Forces, Admiral Yener Karahanogiu.

However, Western defence officials based in Islamabad told Jane’s that the MoU could be the first step towards Pakistan’s plans for expanding the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) in southern Pakistan.

The Pakistan Navy is to build the fourth F-22P frigate at the shipyard by 2013, in co-production with the China’s Hudong Zhonghua Shipbuilding Company. Beyond this, the navy is keen to co-produce locally two or more of the four further frigates it plans to order from China later this year.

Additionally, the Pakistan Navy aims to expand facilities at the Karachi shipyard to produce small boats and corvettes. This could include the co-production of an export version of the Turkish Navy’s Milgem-class corvette.

“The MoU with Turkey is another step along the way for the Pakistanis. They are keen to tie up with friendly countries in their surrounding region,” said one Western defence analyst who spoke to Jane’s on condition of anonymity.

A second defence official said that the MoU also reflects Pakistan’s growing interest in a long-term partnership with the US in patrolling the sea lanes of the Persian Gulf.

He added: “Turkey is not the US but… is considered a close ally of the US. Pakistan is keen for a naval partnership with the US and it’s also trying to seek closer ties with friends of the US.”

I’m just wondering where Pakistan is getting the money for this, considering their other plans of inducting the Perrys and SSKs. And getting 054As will cost a lot more than F-22Ps.

The JH-7 has a transit range of ~3600 km. That was flown clean, but with max ETs, at ~38000 feet and ~Mach 0,8.
The same transit flown at 1000 feet will cut that range to <1800 km, but transit speed is down to Mach 0,6 with similar power-settings. All that with max possible fuel load and no weapons-load.
In an optimum hi-lo-hi profil with max fuel and ~2 tons of weaponary the JH-7 may reach an AR of ~1000 km, but that will be halved to an AR of ~500 km in lo-lo-lo profil.
The advertisement data are not wrong in general, but can never be reached together. None lies, when leaving aside important details?!

hmm, I wonder what source you read that said this. The source I read said JH-7A (not JH-7) reaches 1650 KM combat radius with 6500 kg of payload. Didn’t mention the flight altitude though, so I assume it’s the most optimal one. And also, I don’t think I’ve ever seen JH-7A carry external fuel tanks.

I am still not 100% convinced now. I tend not to believe anything about PLAN procurement unless I see multiple photographs of it first.;)

actually, we don’t know PLAN procurement until photographs show up. Thankfully, they show up very often these days. But you know, that Korean article is nothing but speculation, I wouldn’t waste my time on it.

Picture of HongNiao 2(can anyone confirm?) from Defense Talk:

INflight:

from sino defense
HongNiao 3 ????
“An Internet source photo showing an AS-15-like cruise missile being examined in a Chinese workshop. China has reportedly obtained some examples of the 3,000km-range, nuclear capable cruise missile from Ukraine in 1999~2001.”
(it doesnt allow hotlinking the image)
http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/missile/cruisemissile2.asp

hmm, that’s the thing, I don’t think HongNiao really exist. We know DH-10 does and have seen the H-6K picture carrying 6 DH-10.
http://cnair.top81.cn/attack/H-6K1.jpg
you can compare the LACM shown on there to Barbur.

It also mentions
What fourth generation fighter plane?

in China, 4th generation fighter = 5th generation for everyone else.

a couple of things, barbur uses turbojet engine for sure. Even YJ-62 still uses turbojet engine. We still don’t know where they are on the WS-500 project, there simply isn’t turbofan engine available for the Pakistanis.

hey could use Beidou but i am inclined that they would go for a home grown system created with help from China.

Not a chance, if even the Europeans are having trouble getting Galileo off the ground and operating commercially, how do you think Pakistan can do it?

so u think small number of PLAN fighters can handle economic blockade from Japanese or US navy. even that H-6 is too slow for this kind of mission. u need fast fighters for real time attacks on moving ships.

still really off mark, but keep trying.

sunburn belongs to different era compared to Klub. RCS is moving thing. a stealth object in late 70s is not stealthy for 90s. and surely not for 21st century.

This was actually an interview done in 2005 on 3M80MBE. So, he wasn’t talking about stealth from a 90s perspective.

There newer version of Kh-31/Kh-35/Kh-59 all the time coming and they are cheaper and Fulcrum/Flanker can use 4 to 6. so good for saturation attack under 300km. and most of third world countries can afford this.
Now India has Brahmos. which i believe will go 500 to 1000 km in airlaunched version. but u need this kind of weopon if u are fighting USN. Even against PLAN it is overkill.
Chinese Flankers are obsolete to fully exploit Club range and J-10 cannot carry it.
so there is little chance of Air launched antiship Club.

why the heck would China even want air launched version of this? Why would they want flankers or J-10s to carry anti-ship missiles at all. You are stating stuff that has no relevance.

See I told you before , Discussing RCS is a moot point , Even The Brahmos official website says it has a low RCS ,

Hey Austin, I think the idea is that cruise missiles all tend to have pretty small RCS. But some missiles are smaller than others. After the Sunburn upgrade, the Russian developers even called it “stealthy”. But clearly, it’s still a behemoth compared to most other anti-ship missiles out there. If you look at Brahmos vs Klub, it has larger diameter, longer length and weight. Assuming that they are using similar RAM, Klub would have lower RCS.