can anybody in the know confrim that the below pictures represent 054A Hulls number 5 and 6. In the first picture I am reffering to the only just started still without a bow hull on the left behind the floating dock.:confused:

hey, when people say hull 5 and 6, they are talking about 5 and 6 in the 054 series (or 3rd and 4th in 054A). So, that would be pointing to the one on the right side in the first picture and the one in the second picture. We are guessing that the one on the left side is also something in the 054 series, because it doesn’t seem like HP has any other frigate size order at this point. We haven’t seen any sign of a 3rd 054A under construction in HD (so that would be the 6th 054A). Although, I personally think it’s ongoing too.

Would be interesting to see if the new grey radome plus the new pitot, becomes the next standard for the PLAAF. Would the next batch of J-10 produced be using this? Will the J-11B switch to a grey radome before serial production?

well, they mentionned on the Chinese forum that the radar producer for JF-17 isn’t the same as J-10/J-11B, maybe that’s the cause?

Flanker was a Licensing contract with options. they already got the money for license upfront before releasing documentation. buying kits and engines is separte thing.

hmm, if the Saudi’s can cancel the typhoon deal, if the Austrian government can cancel their typhoon deal, if other countries can cancel their military deal. If an airline can cancel the orders they’ve put in for airbus/boeing, I’m pretty sure China can cancel the orders they’ve put in for RD-93s. Simply put, engines not reaching contractual standard, that’s a valid reason to cancel the contract.

China has only received 10 RD-93s so far and it only has paid for the RD-93s that it has received. So yes, if I was China, I’d just cancel the rest of the contract right now. Even aside from Pakistan, it could use the ground that the rejection rate is too high (33%). As for China not being able to cancel. If it can terminate the flankers contract, I think terminating RD-93 would be a far smaller issue.

Production rights of the RD-33 were sold to China and India. Just intresting to learn how the Chinese assembled/built example will be named?!

nope, RD-33’s production rights have not been sold to China. Could China be taking a few and breaking them down and studying them? Sure. But if no such news has been announced, then how can you think it has already happened?

and from where that Laser comes from? u havent develop a single thing which already not exist.

They developed it. There has been plenty of article on this.

It is not targeting it is the power of laser. and show me a single american source that say China can develop anything of its own.

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.142/pub_detail.asp

However, none of the Pentagon reports acknowledged what was disclosed in September 2006 by the U.S. publication Defense News: China has actually fired lasers at U.S. satellites, amounting to “several tests over the past several years.”[13] This report then says, “’The Chinese are very strategically minded and are extremely active in this arena,” said one senior former Pentagon official. ‘They really believe all the stuff written in the 1980s about the high frontier and are looking at symmetrical and asymmetrical means to offset American dominance in space.’”[14]

I dont have to go through list of Soviet Scientist that went to US.
basically it is the low grade scientist from russia that went to China. top technolgy is still with russians.

The Americans have had laser targetting capability since 1969. When do you think the Russians achieved that technology. All you posted is that the Russians managed to achieve blinding capability with laser in the 80s. That’s not the same as destroying a satellite.

how is that junk. Or u know more than US Generals?

you continue to post stuff wrote back in the day from unknown sources. I can even write those stuff if I want.

One test does not equal to capability. and u dont have laser power to achieve destruction. It was Russian who sold high power 20 MW laser system in 1995 to US. China can only produce things what US/USSR already did. u dont have ur own science.

it wasn’t one test, they repeatedly blinded American satellites. Americans buy stuff from others to study all the time, that doesn’t mean they can’t develop their own. They’ve had satellite targetting since 1969, yet, they are still developing laser ASAT. So no, a general speculating that Russians might have laser ASAT does not show that they have it.

ever thought about there Laser system.

hmm, developing laser targeting systems is different from Anti-satellite laser weapon.

If the WS-13 is an unofficial licenced built engine then there is probably a healthy financial kick back to Russia for each engine built.

It would explain why China has been so cagey about this powerplant in comparison to the WS-10 (an engine thay haven’t been particularly open about anyway).

I have hunch that the first few jets delivered to Pakistan will have Russian built RD93 but they will get around the whole issue of not selling them on by saying that the engines are still Chinese property and they are just being used for testing until they are swapped out for WS-13.

I know its a fine point but by saying the engines are still Chinese property it nicely side steps any political problems with Russia and India.

yeah, I have a feeling that’s probably what’s going to happen too. With the way this is turning out, I don’t see why China will even continue that contract of 100 RD-93s. The Russians have already said that China has only paid for the delivered engines (so like the 10 of them that weren’t rejected).