I guess this article back sinodefence’s claim on the first 10 intial production JL-9. Still needs to be confirmed by more reliable sources.
huh? This was mentionned on CCTV.
The Clubs have already been sold. Why does it already have to have been sold for the Venezualans to be offered it? Before the Indians bought Su-30s there had been no such thing as a Su-30MKI. Equally before the Chinese bought the Su-30MKK there were no previous buyers for that model. Neither are even in Russian service.
club? I thought all the club that got sold are sub-launched or ship-launched versions. As for air launched moskit, that’s going no where. Either way, these are 3 to 5 times the weight of the air launched harpoon.
The Y-8F600 is yet to be in service.Y-8F600 is still in development phase. It will have its maiden flight in end of 2006.
according to http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/airlift/y8f600.asp
The platform itself made it’s first flight in January of 2005, but it could be wrong.
It’s impossible. The WJ-6 engine of Y-8 has been produced for almost 20 years by factory 331 of AVICII. Nothing is needed to be imported from europe/us. And there is no so called “digital control device” in WJ-6. Plus, a single device’s failure leads to 4 engines’ failure, can you find a designer so stupid? This is not allowed in engineering.
Y-8F600 uses P&W Canada engines
Oh here we go, you gonna claim to know all the secrets about the F-16I, your actually a wonderful amazing super important Israeli intelligence person π , if you havnt got the evidence dont bother. You have already tried to claim that the Lockheed werent allowed to sell top of the line stuff to the UAE yet you cant explain away the radar and its common knowledge that the UAE got one of the best tech transfer deals of the 90’s out of the Block-60 deal.
So how would you know the EW system from Israel is better thatn the American made one? :rolleyes: Im just working of general comments I have hear from people within the military and industry, i dont claim to have any super secret info just an impression i have been given by people with a general attachment to these things.
Maybe you could list the avionics components in in the Block 60 and give a statistical analysis of them in comparison to the Sufa if you know so much un-published info??? :rolleyes:
Hey, I read somewhere that UAE haven’t got their AESA radar yet. Probably just junk, any ideas?
The remains of the beam from the Y-8 can be seen in the crash photo.
Can you show me the photo and point to where it is? I have to admit that I haven’t bothered to look carefully at the photos.
Sad news coming again, another military plane, this time a J7 crashed into a Japanese partially owned factory, an old guard died on ground, the pilot ejected in timeβ¦
hmm, I have a feeling it’s not an accident, lol.
Crobato,
What kind of plane do you think it was that went down? You’re saying that it is neither the Y-8 Balance Beam nor the KJ-2000 AWACS? Could you provide a picture of the one you think it is, or is it the one that looks like that passenger plane with 3 engines?
Thanks a bunch.
Since it happened in Anhui and most of the dead engineers are from lab 38, we know that it can’t be KJ-2000 related. The most wildly speculated answer seems to be KJ-200, but that’s not proven. It could be one of the Y-8 surveillence platforms that lab 38 developed electronics for or it could be just a simple Y-8 transport flying people home.
L-15, their cousin
I don’t think so, as leaked pictures show the NEW Y-8 rotodome type AWACS with the PLAAF ensign. Like JH-7A, J-10A/B, L-15 prototypes which all display the PLAAF ensign, most likely are selected by the PLAAF/PLAN (which so far the J-10A/B & JH-7A have demonstrated).
In many cases, the PLAAF usually preferred a more indigenous content (rather than foreign) with either fighter jets or tanks. It is reported that the Y-8F600, which flys the Balance Beam AWACS type, uses a high proporation of foreign content. Whereas the Y-8 with rotodome type AWACS looks like it fitted on a Y-8F400 platform, a more indigenous platform.
I predict it is highly likely that the Y-8 Rotodome AWACS is for domestic and Y-8 Balance Beam AWACS is for export.
KJ-200 (the balance beam one) first flied off with 200, I doubt any Y-8 special mission crafts are using 600. We know the following about export and import:
KJ-2000 is definitely not exported.
Y-8/9 special platform could be exported.
Out of the two, the Chinese forum mentionned the Rotodome as the one built for export. Maybe the balance beam one will be eventually allowed to be exported, but at the moment, we don’t know. It still hasn’t received any kind of order from PLAAF, who favours the more powerful KJ-2000.
is the Y-8 a chinese license made version of the AN-12 ? anyone know why two types of radars have been mounted on Y8 (balance beam and fixed rotodome) ?
yeah, one is for domestic, one is for export.
The YAK-130 is a nice trainer, but it lost to the Mig-AT right?
In ancase the IAF will most likely use the combination of the BAE Hawk (there are talks of acquiring the Goshawk for carrier training ops) and the HAL HS-39 CAT.
The L-15 is a reengined YAK-130, it doesn’t make sense when the YAK-130 lost to the IAF in the AJT competition to the Hawk that the IAF would go for it (not to mention it lost also in the Russian competition). That is purely on its ability to meet GSQR, forget the political angle. I could believe this only since our current defence minister is a communist pussy…
Some pics
YAK – 130
L-15
Hawk
other than what Sealordlawrence already mentionned. L-15 does have the advantage of being supersonic. But yeah, I don’t see why China wouldn’t offer L-15 to India and why India would want to buy it. It’s not the willingness to sell, but the willingness to buy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world/asia/06cnd-china.html
Aircraft Crash Sets Back China’s Military Efforts
By JOSEPH KAHN
Published: June 6, 2006BEIJING, June 6 β China’s efforts to field an early-warning aircraft that could help it project power far beyond its borders and challenge American intervention in any conflict with Taiwan were dealt at least a temporary blow by the crash of a surveillance aircraft on Sunday, defense specialists in the region said.
The aircraft, described by two Chinese-controlled newspapers in Hong Kong as a Chinese-made airborne warning and control system, or Awacs, plane, slammed into a hillside in central Anhui province on Sunday, killing all 40 technicians and crew members on board.
The crash was described as one of the worst disasters in the history of the Chinese air force. Mainland Chinese media said Guo Boxiong, a top military official in Beijing, was supervising the investigation into the crash and that President Hu Jintao had expressed condolences to the families of the victims.
The two Chinese-backed newspapers in Hong Kong, Ta Kung Pao and Wen Wei Po, carried articles on Monday that described the crash in more detail than the mainland media. They did not identify the model of the plane, but regional experts suggested it was most likely the KJ-2000, an early-warning aircraft China has developed using mostly indigenous technology.
In addition to the loss of the aircraft, one of four China has built, experts said the deaths of the 40 people on board, including 35 electronics and avionics technicians, could hinder one of China’s most pressing military modernization programs.
“We don’t know the cause of the crash and can’t say for certain how much of a problem it will prove to be,” said Allen Behm, an expert on the Chinese military and a former chief strategist in Australia’s Defense Department. “But to lose that much expertise really does hurt.”
The United States has a sophisticated fleet of Awacs aircraft that it sees as giving its naval forces a decisive advantage in sea battles.
China needs such technology if its intends to project force far from its own shores. Without such technology, it would face tactical disadvantages in the event of a conflict with Japan or Taiwan.
China has repeatedly threatened to attack Taiwan if the island declares formal independence. The United States has said that it would come to Taiwan’s defense if China mounted an attack. Japan, an American military ally, uses American-made Awacs aircraft.
China tried for years to purchase Awacs technology from Israel, France, Britain and Russia. But the United States strongly opposed the sale of such technology, and Beijing has been forced to develop its own version.
The KJ-2000 is a conversion of a Russian-made Il-76 transport plane into an Awacs aircraft. The Chinese air force has also mounted sophisticated radar systems on its own Yun-8 transport planes.
The system China uses has similarities to the Israeli Phalcon technology Beijing once hoped to buy off the shelf. It has a fixed rotodome and phased-array antennas attached to the fuselage, aviation experts say.
Mr. Behm said the number of people on board Sunday’s flight suggested that China was conducting a test of the aircraft. The plane may have carried three-dozen technicians because China wanted to conduct the tests without transmitting real-time data from the aircraft to the ground.
The United States could potentially intercept air-to-ground signals from a Chinese Awacs plane and gauge the country’s progress in developing the technology, Mr. Behm said.
Lin Chong-pin, a former defense official in Taiwan, said China has pushed hard to develop early-warning aircraft and probably would not be deterred by the accident.
“They have the resolve and they have the money,” Mr. Lin said. “So I don’t imagine that this will set them back for too long.”
But he added that China may be somewhat less likely to pursue a risky military confrontation with Taiwan if it feels its Awacs aircraft are unprepared for wartime operation.
I love all the Way these guys are trying to imply it’s KJ-2000, when their main source is Andrei Pinkov of Kanwa. lol, never mind the fact that the Chinese gov’t has declared it’s a Y-8 transport that crashed. Never mind the fact that KJ-2000 is never stationned at Anhui. The question is what type of Y-8 is this? The answer is that it doesn’t really matter. If it is a Y-8 testbed, then another one can be built. If there is any major loss, it’s the lives of some of the engineers. But then again, I’m sure lab 38 can overcome this.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that KJ-2000’s radar system is developed by lab 14, so this crash has absolutely no effect on that program.
The latest rumors coming out say that the bodies have civilian clothing and there were women and children among them. Most tragic. The plane could have been transporting family members and other civilians.
On the Y-8 AWACS, these are more likely to be based on either the CFTC, which is more closer to the Xian city region, or in Nanjing, where Lab 14 is located. The KJ-2000s are all located in Nanjing. I don’t think this is an AWACS.
yeah, in the recent days, it’s rumoured that the AWACS are flying around the JiangSu province (I guess between Nanjing, Wuxi and Suzhou). This is strange, I think we need to wait for more details to come out.
30 km range? I don’t think you can actually ever make use of all of it. It’s about the seeker. And the seeker for R-73 is way outdated.