Maybe the later versions of Bars is changed, but the original version scans 25 degrees mechanically on both sides. So, no LPI.

Also, the increase in power was mentionned from 4-5 kw to 20? (that’s also what’s mentionned on the website) okay, that’s 4 to 5 times the original. Take 4th root of that. You get around 1.5 times of the original range. Again, 140 to 350?
https://ewhdbks.mugu.navy.mil/2waymon.htm

All I know is that one of the Indian sites mentionned 135 KM for Bars-M against Mig-21 size targets (3 m^2). https://ewhdbks.mugu.navy.mil/2waymon.htm

For aircraft N011M has a 350 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. A MiG-21 for instance can be detected at a distance of up to 135 km. Design maximum search range for an F-16 target was 140-160km. A Bars’ earlier variant, fitted with a five-kilowatt transmitter, proved to be capable of detecting Su-27 fighters at a range of over 330 km. The radar can track 20 air targets and engage the 4 most threatening targets simultaneously (this capability was introduced in the Indian RC1 and RC2). These targets can include cruise/ballistic missiles and even motionless helicopters. For comparison, Phazotron-NIIR’s Zhuk-MS radar has a range of 150-180km against a fighter and over 300km against a warship. “We can count the number of blades in the engine of the aircraft in sight (by the NO11M) and by that determine its type,” NIIP says.

That seems to be the upgraded Bars to me. I’ve read stuff like 180KM for later versions of Bars. Good, it should get upgraded.

As I said, I will wait for the picture of the spec of this thing to come out. The Russians are normally pretty good with providing stuff like this.

Bars was supposed to use the very powerful “Chelniok” TWT with peak power of +8kW and average power of 5.5 kW with duty cycle of 30%. It was not available at the end, and it resorted to the 4.5 kW peak TWT)…with that TWT in tests it could “detect” a Su-27 at 330km while tracking and IDed another targets.

Exact performance of RLSU-30MK Bars is not known

Heck, you keep on throwing around the 330 km. I will keep on giving you the official website that states 120-140 KM vs 5 m^2 targets.

I will wait until the specs for this thing come out. But it’s most likely just an improvement on Bars, so we are looking at 170 – 200 KM vs 5 m^2 targets.

If i remember correctly, PAF asked for the capability of 2 simultaneous engagements with any radar on JF-17. Some have commented in past that S7 lacked this capability (though Fiar promised to work on it), and hence PAF opted for chinese radar as a mid-term solution.

yes, that is part of their requirement, the numbers from that article are more likely the PAF set minimum specs rather than the actual specs of the system.

a Yak 130 would suit a third world country, as a simple to operate fighter but what is the cost of operating them and there up keep?

any idea on the cost of a Yak 130?

15 million according to the developer of L-15.

The numbers are back up to 77 for the F-16’s. Our Eastern neighbour has pushed us to come to this state. I hope we put the order of the J-10’s/F-10’s on a faster rate, We have growing needs. If we do not recieve the AIM-120, this order is not satisfying. For those of you ranting for the AIM-9X, you can forget it. We just recieved 300 new AIM-P/M’s (or something) just last year. The AIM-9X would only raise the burdon being put on our Air Force.

Let me take you guy on a little math lesson.

1 F-16 costs 45 million.
We are getting 77 F-16’s

45,000,000 x 77 = 3,465,000,000

1 AIM-120 costs 300,000
each of our F-16’s should carry 2 AIM-120’s

77 x 2 = 154 , 154 AIM-120’s aren’t enough because we need spares and others…So we will probably have about 170-190 AIM-120’s (note i am trying to make a realistic scenario)

180 AIM-120’s cost 5.4 million

3,465,000,000 (the cost of our F-16’s)
+ 5,400,000 (Our 180 AIM-120’s)
————–
3,470,400,000 The total cost of our order.

It says 3.5 billion is the max cost of our order from all the credible information. SO the rest 30 million would probably be used on other things. Probably the exact cost of the F-16’s would fill in that 30 million but since i dont know. WHAT CAN I DO? 😀

you are not getting 77 brand new ones. From the other sources, it seemed like 25-30 F-16C/D and then 50 F-16A/B with MLU. It might also include MLU on the existing A/Bs.

Back to the FC-1. No more silly discussion on how just rich nations are allowed to have fighter aircraft.

As part of our ongoing special as prelude to prototype 04’s flight, let’s look back at 2003. From the original FC-1 mega-thread:

Posted Sept. 10, 2003 (a few days after first “official” flight):
Babelfish of Sina.Com story:

Bangladesh and Iran was shown the plane as early as Pakistan. Without doubt the most anticipated affordable aircraft in the developing world.

China is expecting upwards of 600 exports for this plane (including the Pakistan exports that is). If it can really go for 15 million per unit (or 20 million for souped up ones), that’s quite affordable to certain countries. I’m surprised a country like Indonesia isn’t mentionned. It was so poor that it only bought the su-30 airframe with no missiles. If it buys some JF-17s, it would at least be able to afford some PL-9Cs and SD-10s.

Chinese-Pakistani warplane almost ready to roll ISLAMABAD, April 10 (Reuters) – Pakistan Air Force is expecting the delivery of its first multi-role combat aircraft modelled on China’s FC-1 Xiaolong in early 2007, a spokesman said Monday. The PAF plans to induct more than 100 Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunders, jointly produced by China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, to replace a fleet of ageing Mirage fighters. “The programme is on schedule and the fourth prototype would be tested by the end of April,” Air Commodore Sarfraz Ahmed Khan said. The flight will be used to test the aircraft’s avionics and weapons integration. Small batch production of the single-seat, single-engine JF-17, will begin in China in June and the aircraft would be delivered to Pakistan in early 2007, he said. Serial production of the aircraft would start at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra by June 2007, with aim of supplying both the Pakistan Air Force and export markets. Pakistan and China had been negotiating with different companies to buy the avionics package for the JF-17 aircraft, which at $12 million apiece is half the cost of an F-16.(Posted @ 18:50 PST)

http://dawn.com/2006/04/10/welcome.htm

I’m not sure in what configuration we’retalking 12 million, but anyway, this post be for record purposes.

As I posted earlier, the expected price for JF-17 in the Chinese market is 10 million, but that’s without the accompanying values of servicing, maintenance, training, setting up structures, buying AAMs, PGMs, extra integration cost and such. Also, the question is what version is 12 million and what version is 10 million? But then again, it’s probably better to just wait and see. Either way, I don’t expect JF-17 per unit prices for export to be more than 20 million even including the servicing and training.

wow weren’t these really really recent orders too?

they were actually ordered last year, but most people didn’t notice until this year, lol. 8 are already delivered, 8 more coming.