I don’t recall the American congress ever cleared APG-79 for export to India. Also, how would you assume that amsar radar would come with typhoon? Either way, I’d say Rafael is probably the best option for India. It’s cheaper than Typhoon and can do more tasks. It also helps to already have relationship with Dessault.

The PHALCON uses an AESA. It’s a C5 platform.

that’s interesting. I always thought the Phalcon deal to China involved Passive Phased Array radar. Maybe IAF got an upgraded version. Can someone help me on this?

Thanks.

Phalcon w/IL-76 has advantages over Erieye due to its longer operating time, range and 360 degree coverage + you can do more tasks with a bigger AWACS like Phalcon.

So yes, JonS is right in saying that the extra 7 operators help. You can get more types of tasks accomplished, that’s for sure. That’s why it’s so much more expensive.

Chacko, you are just talking like a 16 year old kid now. You really could address your frustration in a more polite manner.

1. very easy thing to do, go to CDF’s engine thread and read up on it. There are plenty of Chinese articles on there on WS-10A’s development.

2. As for J-10 and J-11 flying with WS-10, what’s wrong with saying that? Have you ever considered the possibility that both WS-10 and AL-31 are equipping these planes at the same time. Of course, that’s due to the low production rate of WS-10A engine in China.

3. None of us have access to AL31FP’s agreement, but an obvious thought is that it would take time for the engines to be produced again, tested, delivered and fit on the planes (and taking the original out). This is just common sense.

As I have already told you we have the the commonsence to seperate true from false, you need to tutor? On an average, Epoc is more credible than all Chinese mouth pieces combined. If Fa lun gong is one extreme, so is Chinese goverment. Don’t make Fa lun gong feel like bad wolves to make the Chinese govt make look good.

Mr. Holier than Thou SOC,

is the operative word “sems to be”. You know for sure?

look, you are comparing fa lun gong to the chinese government? If anything, Chinese government underestimates its capabilities on its website to stop the spreading of the fear toward China threat. Anyhow, this is a military forum. There is no point bringing FLG into the argument.

niip states 120 to 140 KM for the basic Bars.
140 to 160 km is stated for Bars-M by JDW.
170 KM is supposedly the range for Irbis.

Big deal. You are going to call that big diff?

avionics, just check the news on their new processor
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/10/mil-051027-afpn01.htm
In short, the Russians cannot match the latest processors offered by the Americans. It’s hardware technology is just not up there.

radar, APG-63 v2 vs Zhuk-ME. Not the same level, you have an AESA radar of much greater radius vs a mechanically scanned radar.

AAM, AIM-120C should be much better than the latest R-77 due to the better seeker, guidance software, hardware and such. I would say it has better speed to, but that’s more due to the experience that the PLA R-77 only can go at mach3 due to overheating

AIM-9X has the HMS like R-73, but it also has IIR. It also has greater range and has TVC –> much better turn rate.

I don’t even know where this stuff about China not taking care of its flankers coming from? Provide some proof that Chinese flankers are getting grounded or that their pilots are not getting enough training. I have an article about the training of plaaf falnker pilots from Kanwa, but I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post it in this forum.

Seriously, is the only argument that the Indians can come up with about Mig-29K being better is attacking the quality of Chinese pilots and say that China is not taking care of its fleets properly? You know this is the same argument that the Pakistanis use to try to say that PAF can actually keep up with IAF?

Can we please get off this Olympics and flight hour rubbish? This is suppose to compare the performance of the fighters on their own.