Here is a related “What if?”
When the French signed the Armistice with Germany in 1940 ,most of the French Air Force was still intact. In fact more than 2000 French planes did not take part in the Battle of France and there were many others in N Africa and other French colonies.
What if the entire French air force plus crews had simply flown to Britain in June 1940 to lend us a hand. Would even greater devastation not have been wrought on the Luftwaffe in the months that followed?
Colin
On the other hand even the Tomahawk Mk 1 with its twin fifties and four 0.30 guns had better firepower than the Mk1 Spit or Hurricane with their eight 303s. Thus the Tomahawk would have been a better bomber destroyer than the two British fighters.
In the seventies I read a book which I think was called “Who Really Won the Battle of Britain?” The author was an B of B pilot,”I think his name was “Dizzy” Allen. A whole chapter of his book was devoted to the inadequacies of the 0.303 Browning machine gun and the merits of the 50 cal. Allen said far more German aircraft (especially bombers) would have been brought down in 1940 if the Hurricanes and Spitfires had just four fifties each instead of eight 303s. Allen mentioned numerous instances where German bombers returned safely to their bases with up to 300 rifle calibre bullet holes in their structure.
He said that just 50 hits with fifty calibre rounds would have caused a 1940 German bomber to explode.
Obviously as has been pointed out the Tomahawk wouldn’t have been a match for the German fighters but it could have handled the bombers. I remember reading about an incident in the Battle of France when a squadron of P 36 Hawks shot down 16 unescorted Stukas without loss.
Colin
“Hell’s Angels” Bomber
I read somewhere that the “Gotha” in the original “Hell’s Angels” was actually a converted Sikorsky airliner. I also understand that 3 – colour Technicolour did not exist at the time of the making of “Hell’s Angels” but an earlier two colour Technicolour system did. This system was used “The Mystery of THe Wax Museum”.
Colin
Mossie Simulator
Many years ago the IWM in Lambeth did indeed have a Mossie simulator. The film footage employed was the actual black and white footage shot from the nose of a Mosquito during the 1944 Amiens raid. However I have not seen this particular attraction on the last few occasions that I have visited the IWM. Does anyone know what happened to it?
Colin
I agree with everything already said
Are our MPs not aware that is just the silliest piece of legislation ever? After all a dummy/deactivated /replica gun can never harm anyone?What about the film industry? Does that mean we ca’t have guns in film and TV productions any more?
Colin
I recall that Guy Gibson VC started off by flying Hampdens and he once wrote of an incident in which he and his crew chased a German Dornier which was returning from a bombing mission over England. They pulled alongside the Dornier and raked it with fire from their dorsal and ventral gun positions ,bringing it down.
I read somewhere that Gibson shot down a second German bomber in a similar fashion on a separate occasion. Does anyone have further details?
Colin
Corsair did not have radiator
I don’t think the Corsair has a “radiator” as it has an air-cooled radial engine. A radiator is only found in liquid cooled engines like the RR Merlin.
Colin
Nitrous Oxide in Mossies
Many years ago I read a book about John “Catseyes” Cunningham’s nightfighter exploits during WW2 . I remember in one chapter he mentioned how his Mosquito’s engines had been fitted with nitrous oxide bottles to improve combat performance.
Colin
Gary Brown wrote an article about the filming of “633 Squadron” which was published in “Warbirds Worldwide” in 1993. He is a member of this forum. The B-25 camera plane is the very same one which now exists in a derelict condition at North Weald – see Ken Ellis’s book “Wrecks and Relics – the Album” for more details. I believe the “para drop” footage which appears in “633 Squadron” is stock footage. Also the “633 Squadron” footage which appears in “Mosquito Squadron” is not unused footage but the same shots that were used in the earlier film.
Colin
The Pathfinders TV Series
Airline did screen in New Zealand – probably around 1983 or 84. A great series.
According to IMDb it first aired in the UK on the 3rd of January 1982.
I remember Wings well too. It has screened several times over in NZ, but not for about ten or more years now sadly.
I also very vaguely recall The Pathfinders about a bomber squadron, but no real details about the series.
“Pathfinders” was a 13 episode TV series based on the exploits of the Pathfinder Squadrons in WW2. It was made by Toledo Productions and filmed mainly at West Malling Airfield in the Summer of 1971. The series’ technical adviser was Hamish Mahaddie (of “Battle of Britain” film fame).
Unfortunately it was a rather cheapskate production. Though a small amount of footage of PA474 was taken and used throughout the production,the Lancaster scenes were mainly created using full scale wooden mock ups (which were not all that authentic ) and some equally unconvincing radio controlled models.Much stock footage (some in black and white) was also employed.
The series also suffered from poor scripts and hammy acting and the low production values were very evident in some episodes. Mike Pratt’s Scottish accent in one episode (where he portrays a Scottish boffin) must be heard to be believed – he sounds more like a Pakistani than a Scot!
The best feature of the series was Malcolm Lockyer’s theme and incidental music. The series was released on VHS video through DD video some years ago and may still be available.
One high point of the series (for aviation buffs) is that in one scene you can see Hamish Mahaddie’s Mosquito RS 712 parked in the background. At the time it was based at West Malling.
Colin
HP 42
I think I read somewhere that were two separate HP42 replica projects on the go – one airworthy and the other static,produced by different organisations.
Some Airline facts
I believe Airline was filmed in 1981 which I guess means it would have screened the following year. Does anyone know if was ever shown outside the UK.
Septic.
I know quite a lot about the “Airline” TV series. It was filmed in 1981 and screened in 1982. It was written by Wilfrid Greatorex who had previously written “The Planemakers” ( (later called “The Power Game”) and co-scripted “Battle of Britain”. There was a dispute between Wilfrid Greatorex and Yorkshire TV about the series. Greatorex was upset about some script changes and asked for his name to be removed from the credits from some episodes. I think this was the reason why the second season was scrapped.
I think some episodes from Season 1 were not screened or not made for the same reason.
The second season was to have featured a Lockheed Constellation and possibly a Bristol Freighter.
The series was repeated on Satellite TV about 10 years ago but I think the past dispute between Greatorex and Yorkshire TV may explain its non – appearance on VHS or DVD.
Colin
Correct Facts about Video
Is that right? Could well be.
When was airline broadcast? My first memory of seeing a VCR was some unwieldy and impossibly expensive Philips system in around 1984
Moggy
I bought my first video recorder in August 1981. This was a Sanyo 9300 Betamax Video Recorder which then cost £399.00 . At the time it was the cheapest VCR on the market. I believe the first VHS VCRs (made by JVC) had started appearing in the UK in late 1978.
The Philips V2000 system first appeared in the late 70s but the system never caught on.
Airline was broadcast in early 1982. The last episode screened (I think) about March 1982.
Colin…say Elly Sallingboe announces next week that she’s taking Sally B back home to the States…what would you say then?
This isn’t really a valid comparison re the Mosquito situation. There are about 10 airworthy B-17s in the States already. The point I was making was that if the two Mosquito exports had not occurred we might now have one or two airworthy Mossies in the UK.
Stuka was in USA
I think the Stuka sequences were filmed in the USA (or maybe Canada). The pilot sounded American and his name was Mitch something. The Stuka did fly.