I don’t understand why there needs to be so much secrecy about the production of this film. Previous air movies like “Battle of Britain” have been very much made in the public gaze. Why is there secrecy even about the date they are going to start filming?
Colin
I remember seeing the Torrey Canyon air attacks live on BBC – TV in 1967. I clearly remember seeing some Hunters firing rockets into the oil spillage.
Colin
Confirming what I have said
If you do a Google search for “John Stears” you will find his obituary from “The Independent” in 1999.
This confirms that he created the model aircraft used in “Reach for the Sky” and many other British films of the late 50s and early 60s.
Colin
I read somewhere that John Stears made model aircraft for a number of 1950s films but he didn’t receive a credit. Two films that were mentioned in this regard were “The One That Got Away” and “Reach for the Sky”.
The Bf109 model he made for “The One that Got Away” was refurbished by him and sold by him at an auction (for charity I think) a few years before he died.
I believe John’s background was in aeromodelling. Through building miniatures for some 1950s films he eventually became a special effects man. I don’t think he did the special effects for “Reach for the Sky” but I believe he did build the model aircraft for the film.
Please correct me if I am wrong in what I say.
Colin
I recently watched the documentaries on a DVD of Thunderball, and they definitely did have a full size mock-up, but only of the forward fuselage. It was shown on location rather than in a studio tank, but I can’t remember exactly where.
Various books on the “Bond” movies have published photos of the fibreglass Vulcan mock up. When complete it comprised a whole fuselage but did not have full wings. It incorporated a real Vulcan cockpit taken from a scrapped example.
The mock up was lowered into the sea off Nassau. After filming was completed it was left in situ but partially demolished for some reason.
By the way the aviation advisor on all these early Bond movies was Hamish Mahaddie.
Colin
I’ve just found a link that I was looking for in my first post.
http://www.mickcharlesmodels.co.uk/history/history.html
There are some interesting shots of the models there.
However, the Rudhall books stated that the models were NOT fitted with retractable landing gear on the grounds of simplicity and weight-saving, and were instead launched from dollies that simply dropped clear once the flying speed was attained (rather like an Me163 Komet). The Hurricane near the top of the page obviously has these and is considerably larger than the models in the film.
I believe that in the early stages of planning the film some models were made including a Hurricane,Stuka and Bf110 and these were different from the models which were actually used in the film which obviously did not include a Bf110.
Colin
I just had a look at IMDB and noticed that in the “goofs” section for “Valkyrie” someone has said that a Spanish – built Messerschmitt is called a CASA! As we all know the correct name is the Hispano Buchon. Slightly off – topic I know but I was impressed by the German Panzer IV tanks in the strafing sequence. I presume they were replicas created using the running gear of another type of tank as is the norm in the film industry?
Colin
I missed it though I did see it in TV a long time ago. The film is also known as “The Red Beret” and was produced by Warwick films which was Cubby Broccoli’s company before he got involved in Bond films.
I think the silver Wellington which appears in the film is the same one which appeared in “The Dambusters” i.e. MF628 which is now in the RAF museum.
I believe that in reality the Wellington was rejected as a para dropping aircraft because they couldn’t cut a hole in the belly for a para dropping hatch because of the geodetic structure.
Another inaccuracy is the use of a bazooka by British airborne forces. During WW2 they only ever used the PIAT.
Colin
Yes it was a Soko 522
I just checked Wikipedia and it confirmed the aircraft used in “Kelly’s Heroes” was indeed the Soko 522 and not the Harvard.
Colin
Not Harvards in “Kelly’s Heroes”
Pretty sure it’s a Harvard that strafes Clint and the boys in Kelly’s Heroes.
…..It’s a mother beautiful bridge … and it’s gonna be there !!! :D:D
It wasn’t actually a Harvard. It was a Yugoslavian -made aircraft . I think it was a called a Soko Anyone like to correct me? The type was featured in detail in the old “Warbirds Worldwide” magazine
Colin
Yes it was made in France. Based on the real – life story of Eddie Chapman. Apparently Chapman was never happy with the film and now his full story has been published (in “Agent Zigzag”) we could have a more accurate remake!
Colin
KB976 is the Ex-Strathallan Lanc right?
It appears to have a lengthened nose as was the case with some Canadian post -war Lancs.
Colin
Could you perhaps be thinking of Japan? The Japanese definitely had a plan to bomb the locks of the Panamas Canal using special floatplanes launched from submarines but it never happened.
Colin
More Information on “Pathfinders”
I know quite a lot about the making of this series. It was filmed in the Summer of 1971 at West Malling. Hamish Mahaddie was the technical advisor.
Although the DD Video cover states that “real Lancasters were used in the filming” this claim is stretching things a bit.
Some footage of PA474 was taken for the series but most scenes were effected using large radio – controlled Lancaster models ,rather unconvincing full scale mocks – ups of sections of Lancasters and a lot of stock footage.
In some later episodes the large radio controlled Lancs were used for some rather unconvincing shots of Lancs sitting on the ground ,taxying etc.
In one episode there is a taxying scene filmed from inside the cockpit of a Lanc mockup. If you look carefully you can see Hamish Mahaddie’s Mosquito RS712 sitting on the tarmac , visible through the cockpit windows.
In a way this series was a great missed opportunity. The scripts were poor and the production values very low. Furthermore at the time the series was made Lancaster NX611 was sitting at Blackpool having made its last flight only one year before. It would have been in taxiable condition at least and could probably have been made airworthy for the series.
If they had used NX611 instead of these awful models and mock ups and had better and more realistic scripts it could have been a classic aviation series.
Colin
Wasn’t there one a few years ago? I remember reading about some of the artifacts (clapper board, Heinkel nose section) being displayed, and many of the film personnel being there. Can’t remember if that was in Flypast…or ‘[I]that[I] other magazine’….:eek:
There have been two such events at Duxford in the past 20 years,both held at the Officer’s Mess. The first was in Summer 1989 organised by “Warbirds Worldwide” featured Hamish Mahaddie and Robert Rudhall as speakers. An even more elaborate event was held in September 1999. This was organised by “Aeroplane” magazine. I was fortunate enough to attend both.
As you say it would be great if we could have another one next year.
Colin