[QUOTE=Rob68;2031902]Rob
thanks for the tip but we are back home in the UK now but ill keep it in mind for the next trip, we did go south of Phoenix after the Canyon which ill post later but just for now a few outdoor shots with a what is it for the 4 engine wing, looks like B29 derived.

what are we looking at?
Looks like the Italian built Fokker S-11 Instructor
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDossier.php?Serial=6999

Boeing C-97 wing section

Cessna A-37 Dragonfly’s 2 F-86 Sabres or Navy FJ’s and perhaps a T-33

Gnat?
More likely the Indian version , The Ajeet
Used in the movie ‘hot shots’
The jet on right is mystery to me
hope it helps
Johan