It’s widely believed that the extent of stealth with the F-35 is much smaller than the one on the F-22 but the RCS of the F-35 won’t be that much worse than the one of the series T-50, I think.
You’ve got that bassackwards. The F-22’s RCS is< than F-35 which is < T-50.
Gripen NG Range
Range is increased an average of 40% over the JAS 39C as both the internal and external fuel capability is expanded.
Combat radius: 1,300 Km + 30 minutes on station with A2A weapons. (702nm)
Range (one-way): 2,500 Km on internal fuel(1350nm)
Ferry range (one-way): 4,075 Km with external fuel(2200nm)
Combat Radius estimate: 1,800 km with A2A weapons(972nm)
How is it possible to have a combat radius of 702nm, but a range(one way) of only 1350nm? Also, I presume the 972nm range is with external tanks?
One drop tank (450 Gal) gives the Gripen NG an extra range of approximately 1000 km.
That sounds pretty optimistic. That would be over 1 mpg, which I highly doubt.
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It’s possible to lowered RCS by an order of magnitude. A MiG-21 technology demonstrator had its RCS lowered to 0.25 m^2 by a Russian research institute some years back.
I’m not saying that it’s not possible that some measures have been taken, but I haven’t read anything about the Mig-29K receiving that sort of treatment. Even at .25m^2, it’d still be worse than a SH, Typhoon, or Rafale.
1. I am specifically calling out the combat endurance of the F-35 as sub par, as it will be easy to drag out of fuel.
It has more endurance than a Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen, Super Hornet, etc…, so I’m not seeing how you think it’ll get drug out of fuel(especially since it will do most of its killing from BVR, or HOB shots).
2. it is highly likely for Russia to enjoy a numerical superiority VS Norway.
What do you think the likelihood of Norway having to go it alone against Russia is?
3. Russia has more tankers than Norway last time i looked
And exactly how close to the fight do you imagine these tankers to be flying?
and even if the F-35 was freshly refueled, going inn, it matters zero, if it had to dump it to fight. Force it to use the afterburner, and it will have to turn back real soon. This unless it is sitting on top of the tanker, and you want to loose it as well.
Why would the F-35 have to dump fuel to fight? Do you think that the only fighting it’ll be doing is WVR? It’ll be able to use afterburner longer than it’s competitors in any event, if need be.
Still i am unrefuted.
You have yet to make a substantiated point, so there’s nothing to refute.
Regarding the Norwegian Air force, please leave politics on the sideline, as it has nothing to do with the F-35 as a platform. As for the P-47, 109 and Spitfire, they are all withdrawn from service 🙂
My comments on the F-35,as a fighter are still unrefuted.
What’s the endurance of any of the F-35’s competitors?
What’s the likelihood of any threat nation that has PAK FAs, to enjoy a numerical superiority?
What’s the endurance of the PAK FA that’s flying an offensive mission(that’s already flown several hundred kilometers) vs. a scrambled fighter(or freshly tanked one)?
No, i am questioning its combat endurance. If you look at my post again, you will see that i gave an example.
Against a Pak- Fa, i allso question every part of its performance envelope, untill proven wrong.
If you’re going to question its endurance, then you’ll need to question every other Western fighter’s endurance as well.
Old Willy was right about that one. The P-47 was a brick, and like any brick, it had momentum on its side. So you can say that it was good in a dive (and maybe a zoom climb) But that was all she had.
Now on to the comparizon between the F-35 and say the Rafale. The Rafale can loose bulk and weight by dropping external tanks. The F-35 can only loose weight. However, if the F-35 drops fuel, it will still have to use the AB more than the Rafale, to counteract the bulk. This means that the F-35 will run out of fuel quickly. So it is more like the Mig-21 in this respect, actually.
The Mig was only good when the can was lit, and it ran dry in a snap.So you allready know the taktics to use against it. Use agressors to run it dry, make it ditch, bomb the airfield. Or simply go bomb something else.
So in my opinion, the F-35 is a bomber, it will do a good job if it has the luxury of doing it in a straight line. Compromises were made to get the aircraft down in price. Sadly they are connected to the agility of the platform as a fighter.
This may be ok for you if you are American, and have the F-22 to fly top cower. I am Norwegian however, and the prospect of having the F-35 performing national defence against the Pak-Fa, is less than glorious.
Do you consider an aircraft that is more agile than an F-16/F-18, to be a straight line only kind of plane?
Did you notice the smileys part, or only the part that you wanted to?
I misinterpreted the smiley content.:p
In recent RSK MiG press release concerning MiG-29K introduction into IN service, it was stated that MiG-29Ks radar signature had been “substantially reduced”.
How much is substantial though? That’s a very nebulous term.
:dev2: and as a simulator is only simulating (never actually flies), this is not very good news:D:diablo::p;)
Did you read the second part of the sentence, or only the part that you wanted to?
If you know the range to the target you probably also know the velocity of the target, why then do you need to use the radar to get the info you already know?
How does your system guareentee that random background noise is not incorrectly identified as the returning signal? That’s either a major risk or a massive amount of processing power.
The comment about the radar knowing when a pulse should be back requires some explanation. How can it do this?
The radar is used to determine range and velocity to provide a tracking solution on the target, thus until the radar is used it doesn’t know where the target is so cannot predict when a pulse will be returned.
If you are refering to the radar being cued by another system that might work, however that is in all probablity dependent on the target emitting.Which then brings us full circle, so again, why are you using the radar if you already have the info you need?
You’d use the radar along with your ESM systems to get the most accurate picture of what’s going on around you. They work in concert with one another, along with offboard sensors.
The ALR-94 is like having an RC-135 onboard. Something like 23-28 antennas for the thing scattered about the F-22. A big part of the reason the F-22 is so sneaky is because it’s just listening for someone to make a peep and then it knows where they’re at. All it has to do is have a precise enough location to get the AIM-120 close enough to pick the target up with it’s own radar. It’s not like it has to try to guide the AIM-120 to impact.
It has even more antennas than that actually, which only reinforces your point.
But can it be fired exclusively on information from the RWR….?
That is what I mean by “cue”.
If the enemy is emitting.
To date, there is absolutely nothing that would support the notion it could be fired using ONLY the ALR-94.
I’d hesitate to say that a single F-22 could do that, without any offboard assistance, but multiple F-22s would be able to. I highly doubt you’ll see any open source links that would verify a single F-22 being able to accomplish that though.
Who said it was? I was talking about IR AAMs.
My point was that unless the target survived the AIM-120, it wouldn’t matter whose short range missile had the longer range(and unless all of the -120s had been fired, they’d be useful all the way to the -9X’s range).
As there were some talks about using the MiG-29K as a land based fighter, of course it’s possible, but why should anyone buy it, if the MiG-29M/35 is available as a pure land based fighter, without the equipment required for carrier operations?
Regarding the radar. The Zhuk-AE (with 1088 TRMs) is claimed to offer a detection range up to 200 km against a 3m² target (head on).
That 200km range is an upgrade that hasn’t been produced yet. That doesn’t represent what the current capability is.
I think the AN/APG-79 may enjoy some advantages as the US is more advanced than the Russians in that area. I wouldn’t overestimate the Americans on one side and the Russians on the other side however.
There are rough indications but no real numbers which would prove a really superior performance of the -79.
All of the claims that I’ve seen are that the APG-79 has a longer detection range than the Bars, which is > than the Zhuk AE. I’ve seen no claims about the Russian systems having LPI or EA capabilities. One thing to bear in mind when comparing specs, is that the US uses 1m^2 target references when giving ranges, rather than 3m^2, so to compare apples to apples, both systems would have to be using the same size target.
It’s a nice sunny morning here in the UK, and I’ve just padded off down the corridor to consult my nearest friendly electro-optical ‘wizard’.
He has no figures for the angular coverage of the ATFLIR pod, but has confirmed that it was designed for use against ground targets – there is no known air-to-air capability. I suppose that it could be re-roled by a change in software, but not wanting to outstay my welcome I didn’t ask.
In casual searches about the ATFLIR, there are numerous references to A2A modes as well as A2G.