I’ll say it again. Radio waves are radio waves. There’s little more to it.

They are directional, and an RWR with powerful enough processing, especially one that knows the basic actions of LPI, would in all likelihood be able to pick up the LPI signal given enough time.

And you’re missing the point still. The way LPI works is by not looking like a radar, to a RWR. Are you suggesting that the simple solution is to just look for everything that doesn’t look like a radar? Modern RWR/ECM systems have digital threat libraries that they compare incoming signals with. They also filter out signals that don’t appear to be threats/background noise, etc… to cut down on false alarms. LPI works by using very short bursts, with discreet beams, using random and very rapidly changing freqs/waveforms, etc…, so it’s not a simple task of merely raising the sensitivity. That’s not to say it’s impossible to detect, but it’s by no means guaranteed to be something that can be taken for granted.

I totally take that point Jonesy, but Iran was targetted in Iran-Iraq war, I genuienly think we overestimate Irans aggresive desires. They may have problems with many nations but they are not so stupid to try and make everyone their enemy.

One would certainly hope so, but when you’re dealing with a government that has extremist ideologies, you can’t assume that they have the same concerns, as folks with cooler heads.

Didn’t a ranking US General state some time back that the UAE AIr Force with its Blk 60 Vipers could overpower its Iranian counterpart all by its lonesome? Aside from the UAE, there’s the Saudi Fleet of British and US jets and now Oman building up its air force. Not to forget Israel of course. And the US would figure to get involved in any future conflict in all likelihood.

The IAF would have a very dramatic few days of existence in any major conflict but there’s no doubting the outcome. That’s why they’re so keen to develop their nuke capability.. its their trump card offsetting (in their mind) any weakness they have in conventional forces.

Their best course of action would be to be a better neighbor, and learn how to play well with the rest of the world.

.What is behind J-7 hotdog? A poster that makes fun of the Chinese Mig21 (J7) by calling it a hotdog. That same plane is doing 4 decades service with the Indian Airforce. Both the Mig21 and its derivatives have shown impressive records. Even these days the planes is a remarkable one. Anyway back to the topic. It beats me why someone should see the reasons of buying Typhoons by Oman should be relates to Bulgaria or Pakistani harbour called Gwadar. I have seen several posters moving towards good posting but unfortunately some do not follow. I have read Oman buys Insas. Insas is produced by India. I see no reason making strange remarks about that. I hope our friend here moves towards related and informative postings and not the usual anti Pakistan remark.

You’re familiar with sarcasm right?

ATFLIR is garbage compared to the IRST on the nose for A2A purposes. The limited FOV itself just sinks that entire proposition.

The AIM-120C7 is right in the RVV-SD ballpark.

The AIM-120D isn’t is about as operational as the 180KM Russian missile. So that’s irrelevant.

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Also, the Zhuk-AE-35 will have a tracking ability of 60 targets with a range of 200KM, well within APG-79 “grade” capability.

The -D model is what is currently being fielded, so I’m not sure what’s irrelevant about it.

As for the Zhuk radar, do you have another link other than the one that was provided? What size target does it have a 200km detection range? Can it operate in A2A and A2G modes simultaneously? Does it have EA capabilities? Does it have LPI modes?

Do you have some info about the ATFLIR being garbage, or is that just your “professional” opinion about it?

Some specs for Zhuk-A(E)here …

http://img291.imageshack.us/i/zhukaemj2.jpg/

Again , anything like this kinda of data on the APG-79 , rather than claims ?:)

Hmm, 130km head on detection of a 3m^2 target. That’s ~APG-65 performance, or marginally better. The APG-79 has >3 times the range of the APG-73(which is superior to the APG-65). I didn’t see any mention of simultaneous A2A and A2G modes, much less EA, Elint, etc… The APG-79 can track more targets simultaneously as well.

RVV-SD , an upgraded R-77, max range 110km, thoroughly upgraded electronics.

RVV-MD , an upgraded R-73 , more exactly an upgraded K-74M, max range 40km,and up -to -date seeker and electronics…

Both these misiles were shown at MAKS-2009.

Neither of which gives the -29K first shot against a SH, which has a lower RCS, better radar, and -120C7/D.