Thanks very much. To Roylarson too. 🙂

LOL! I were thinking the same. As for when it becomes fully operational, I can’t wait I must say. And…Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t LM and its loyal ‘fan-boys’ mention something about the F-22 not being matched or even close to it for the next zllion years not so long ago, or something along those lines?…I bet they’re denying that one now aren’t they. :diablo:

Well, once it demonstrates that it matches the F-22, then we’ll have something to discuss. Till then, feel free to speculate.:p

The article about F 35 doing 55 deg. appeared in Aviation Week. Many people are very eager to quote anything negative it apears in AvWeek about F 35, usually signed by our friend Sweetman. But when someone say something positive about F 35, suddenly AvWeek is no more a reliable source…BTW, from the same article: F 35 can make a 9G turn at 370 kt. An F 16 blk. 52 can’t do it below 470 kt. It may give you a hint about how maneuvrable is the F 35.

That, and other articles that claim a fully loaded(internal) F-35 is more agile, than a clean F-16, are also ignored or scoffed at.

0.01m2…til you could prove otherwise :diablo:

The point I was making is that trying to come up with an RCS figure from looking at a picture is kind of ridiculous. As for proving anything, I haven’t made any claims for or against a figure. It’s a nice looking plane. We shall see what it’s capabilities end up being as it progresses through its flight testing, and gets equipped with its operational avionics, etc…

YES WE DID!!!!!!! YES WE DID!!!!!!!!…….YOU ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL BAAAAAAAADAAAAAAAAASSSS-MOTHAUKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

………BYE-BYE F-35…..(0.5m^2- DON’T MAKE MY SLIPPERS LAUGH!!!!!!)

So based upon your analysis from these pics, what is the RCS then?:rolleyes:

Plenty of people here and on other online forums seem to have no problem swallowing the idea that the Rafale can trounce the Typhoon 7:1 despite being artificially limited, yet the Typhoon beating the 30 year old F-15 by 8:1 in a fair fight seems to be harder to stomach for some reason ? :rolleyes:

If we assume that the Typhoon’s dominance over legacy aircraft in DACT exercises can all just be chalked up to the opposing aircraft being unfairly disadvantaged as some people suggest, then surely it’s only fair that we apply the same scepticism to the well publicised victories of other aircraft.

When the F-22 beats scores of F-15 and F-16 in exercises is that also just PR talk ? …

The main difference between the EF/Rafale vs. (late model F-15s, 16s, Super Hornets), etc… is raw performance, which gives them distinct kinematic advantages.
The F-15s, etc… at least will be aware of the EF/Rafale’s presence(albeit at a shorter range than M2000, F1, Su-27, etc…), whereas when the F-22s go against F-15s, at BVR ranges, they never even knew what hit them.

I’m skeptical of making claims that the Rafale has a 7:1 advantage over EF, as an empirical measure of the 2 aircraft’s worth, just as I’m skeptical of a 2 EF vs. 8 F-15 exchange(especially if the F-15 has JHMCS, AIM-9X, AIM-120C7, etc..).

Who’s talking about avoiding detection, other than you?

The original comment was re the facility and maybe wisdom of having the aesa radar as the primary / only jammer.

Well for a VLO aircraft, the necessity for ECM is mitigated compared to legacy aircraft, so……breaking the kill chain, is sufficient.

That is bunk.
It neatly supports the aesa radars can be the only ecm arguement tho…:rolleyes:;)

Again, where are these fighters coming from, that are sneaking up from odd angles undetected?

Max AoA is said to be 55° that doesn’t mean the soft limit will be that high. A Su-27 achieves a max AoA of 100°+, yet its soft limit is 26°. And for that matter the Rafale and Gripen demonstrated a max AoA of ~100°+ so no it’s not more for the F-35. But as said it’s the soft limit which is relevant in the first place and wether AoA override is permitted by the FCS. And nose pointing isn’t just about the exact unit number, but more about being still controlable under such conditions. Reaching a max AoA in very specific test conditions doesn’t translate into a high alpha manoeuvering capability.

That’s controlled flight at 55°, not instantaneous max.