have them scores read like modern hockey’s with ties.

Something like : F-22 : 1-0-5
Rafale : 0-1-5

Then again, as i said before, in percentage, the Raptor
hits 16.666% of times against a plane half its price or less!

Good thing that it is the master of BVR air superiority
( when the stealth material stays on ) otherwise i know a
few friends of mine that are American taxpayers that….

Just a few points of consideration-

A- Under real world conditions, where the Raptor would’ve started out at BVR, prior to moving into gun range, and being able to use the advantage of surprise, I suspect that 16.666% figure would’ve been significantly different. Starting out at visual range negates the many advantages the Raptor has, and only shows raw kinematic performance(which still has the Raptor either killing the Rafale, or preventing the Rafale from getting a shot off).

B- When the stealth material stays on? That’s a bit of hyperbole don’t you think? The Raptor in exercises has demonstrated a high mission availability rate for an aircraft whose RAM is “falling off” with any sort of regularity.:rolleyes:

Wrightwing, in no world/parallel universe/twilight zone, can F22 actually kill Rafale (and not only Rafale), without the latter knowing that…Apparently, you still haven’t learn how missiles work.

Well at some point the Rafale would likely become aware it was under attack, but the point is that the Raptor will be aware of the Rafale prior to the Rafale being aware of the Raptor. This allows the Raptor pilot the option to approach from the most advantageous angle(i.e. not giving his presence away). If the Rafale isn’t EMCON, a missile could be fired passively, giving the Rafale very minimal warning prior to impact. Additionally, the missile could be fired using third party targeting info, again giving very little warning(i.e. once the AIM-120 goes active, in its terminal attack phase). Seeing as how there’s a very high likelihood that the Raptor will be flying at a higher altitude, and the AMRAAM will be using a lofted profile(diving on its target), will give the MLD/MAWS less chance of detection at long distances, which gives the target very little warning.

it doesn’t say how many times the Rafale locked onto the F-22..there was some Aussie exchange pilot who while flying against the F-22 claimed that while he could see it, the aircraft’s systems couldn’t lock on to the F-22..:D I suppose that was the result of jamming and not shock and awe !:D

Do the French have better systems to lock onto the F-22 (passive sensors like the IR/TV camera) to overcome jamming of the radar’s close combat modes ? The answer is that they do-the Rafale’s passive sensors may not have been spoofed, which might explain it.

The fact that the F-22 had no losses, one can infer that the Rafale never locked onto it. The Rafale is obviously a challenging foe in the WVR arena, so this does speak well of it. Of course the likelihood of an F-22 resorting to a gun kill on a Rafale(Typhoon, Su-35, etc…) is somewhat low, and were it the case, I imagine the circumstances might be different than were in the excercise.

and yet from all reports, the Rafale is a very agile fighter itself. It ran rings around Super Hornets during DACT and has regularly beaten F-16s as well without any major losses, and both those teen fighters are made out to be meat and drink for the F-22, at least in BVR. The one time we got gun-camera footage of the F-22 in the Super Hornet’s sights, they explained it away by claiming it was done by violating the RoE. maybe that was just damage control ?

Which excercise did the Super Hornets have rings flown around them?

Nice failure of an article hahaha – 20m^2 rcs for su-30? Maybe 5m^2 fully loaded . . . .

5m^2 fully loaded?:eek::rolleyes:

Not a chance.

pretty good idea. The C has a stronger and larger wing, larger radius, better payload, which makes up for the gain in weight and costs. A number of non-US hornet operators use hornets that are essentially the same as the US navy stock.

But it costs more, which would result in smaller buys, which would result in even smaller buys, which would result in…………..

KS-172 is going to be a game-changer when it become operative, just the fear of it will force AWAC’s back, decreasing early warning, only semi-counter i can think of is faster AWAC’s.

Or LPI modes that aren’t as ARM friendly at extended ranges.

…move over ‘Growler’ :diablo:

How many simultaneous frequency bands can that jam vs. a Growler though?

It’s nice how they conveniently neglect to mention that a lot of these platforms they criticize, matured into very effective systems, far beyond what had originally been imagined.