Why should UK need to do an overseas deployment?
Falklands may be.
What else? Peacekeeping Or Next round of colonization?I really don’t see the need.
Well if isolationism is one’s goal than you’re correct. If playing a meaningful role on the World stage, then having credible force projection is still desirable.
I do not imply such a thing and you are welcome to demonstrate that i actually did.
What i said is nothing esle than is said in L-M programe briefs as well as some subcontractors who have done the job on the Divertless Inlets aerodynamics.
Combat altitude is 20.000 ft for a profile involving a cruising speed of M 0.9 at 30.000 ft and the divertless inlets are optimised for maximum output at sea-level, wihtout loss (or presumably) at higher altitudes.
As if every designs were conceive for combat performances at the tropopause (Quiet in fashion this altitude these days) even so they are optimised for strike at low altiudes, engines and inlets optimised for maximum output at sea level and the whole thing well documented.
20k feet isn’t what I’d call a low level strike profile. Perhaps we just have different definitions of low. Most sources I’ve seen have the F-35 flying a higher profile than even 20k feet though(more like in the 25-35k range for strike profiles, and at higher altitudes for A2A missions).
Who’s been rude and pumpous?
How would you describe the tone of referring to a poster as “boy” in any other way?
Now everyone looking at their respective mission profiles and requierements can see for themself that they differs dramaticaly, reading that F-35 will replace F-16 is not giving you nor its requiered specs nor its design points..
The F-35 was designed to meet/exceed F-16/F-18 performance.
Trouble is though some AAA has a massive altitude range. The North Korean AAA guns spring to mind, and if optically targeted (as NK are well able to do) all the stealth in the world is of no help. I do see your point though with regards MANPADs.
Point taken. I was just trying to illustrate that F-35s weren’t going to be flying A-10 or Tornado GR4 attack profiles, down in the weeds, which he was trying to imply.
I thought Fonk/Sampaix was banned?
When Aurocov mentioned his name in post 372 in this thread Fonk appeared under the name Dare2 in post 375 defending his old account posts.
I’ve never seen such a blatent double identity posting on any forum, ever.
Well there haven’t been too many posters rude enough to refer to others as “boy.” Talk about a pompous ___.
And the rest.
When pple start giving you estimated Resulting airspeeds given in PR mp/h as unmovable KPP vs Designed Maximum Mach, i start loosing interest.
As if every designs were conceive for combat performances at the tropopause (Quiet in fashion this altitude these days) even so they are optimised for strike at low altiudes, engines and inlets optimised for maximum output at sea level and the whole thing well documented.
What do L-M knows?
What new plane is designed for low level strike though? Most mission profiles will keep the aircraft above AAA/SHORAD range, and provide greater stand off range for their PGMs.
No, not really.
IRST scans much wider temperature band than, what is cooling system able too cool the aircraft down.
However, if an F22 would, by some miracle be able to avoid IR detection of itself, the temperature of stagnation point in front of the aircraft would, in fact discover it’s presence.
So no, you can’t really hide 20t of metal from IR system, that easy.
But you can reduce the range at which it can be seen though, and this is just one of the techniques.
You did NOT explain anything and you canot explain anything.
You ASSUMED and still failed to demonstrate this Maximum Mach as being a KPP.
It is you that is misunderstanding here. M1.6 was the KPP minimum threshold, not the maximum Mach. Repeating it like a mantra doesn’t make it so. LM exceeded this requirement, hence the speed of M1.8+.
F-22 uses like F-35 cooling to recycle its systems heat in to the fuel cycle for the purpose of conserving EM L.O; because there is no SCOOPS and VENTS to do it, it gots nothing to do with “cooling the skin”. :rolleyes:
It cools the skin by using the fuel as a heat sink, to reduce IR signatures, not EM signatures.
Sure there are, but not on F22. 😀
Source?
And why is it cooled, if the temperature is in check? 😀
It’s cooled because the heat from friction(which all airframes have) shows up better on IRSTs, than cooled surfaces.
I think ELP meant is if LM find out that some aspect with the F-35 does not meet the requirement or if a big problem surfaces, the cost will rise.
One thing that pluage my head is how they will make those internal weapos bay bigger in later block upgrade?
Does this mean they will ultimate alter the airframe or take away some of the internal fuel tanks..?Eighter way it’s a compromise if you ask me.
Bigger airframe vs lesser fuel capasity..?Thanks
Where has there been any discussion of enlarging the weapons bays?
It would be nice to provide us with a link to this famous interview instead of giving people the UFO version.
Speaking in the name of “Metz” doesn’t make your case, we’re still waiting, so please oblige our humble request, we are genuily interested to read this document by ourself.
Metz said that the top speed was classified, but that the aircraft would do 1600mph. Using powers of deduction, one can infer
A-that the top speed is not less than or equal to 1600mph, seeing as how that’s the speed he mentioned.
B-the fact that he mentioned it demonstrates that 1600mph is not a classified figure, leaving but one option- the top speed is higher than 1600mph.
We understood that, it makes the 1600 mp/h figure even less credible.
It is possible to damage the RAM without damaging the airframe beneath the RAM. The F-22’s airframe isn’t flimsy- it’s designed to operate at high speeds for prolonged periods.
Agreed. From all I red about F22, all points to RAM skin to be the weakest link in structural chain.
The F-22 has RAM coatings, not RAM skin.
I’d say M2.42 is aerodynamic limit, meaning the speed at which the thrust can’t overcome drag anymore (ram-overflow) and the plane can’t accelerate anymore. However, temperatures on such speed would require titanium hardened leading edges, not mere RAM skin.
Metz indicated that the aircraft’s top speed was higher than the speed he mentioned, which would tend to disprove this assertion.
@Wrightwing
Let’s go another time over this issue, but slow…
1) USAF/pilots confirmed ~600nm range in M1.5 flight regime, after which refueling was needed. Beneficial calculation gives ~12.17 kg/nm (kilogram per nautical mile) of fuel consumption.
Consequence:
SuperCruise radius for M1.5 = ~300nm, at internal fuel (1/2 of 600nm range).
SuperCruise radius for >M1.5 numbers = unknown, although the time in the air is certainly shorter than on M1.5.2) In “310+100″nm radius equation, F22 actually flies 620nm in SUBSONIC regime and 200nm in SC regime (“310+100″x2). After substituting SC value and some reserves, we get to the number of ~8 kg/nm of fuel consumption in SUBSONIC regime.
Consequence:
SubSonic radius (on internal fuel) = ~440nm -> WITHOUT touching Afterburner or SuperCruise and with VERY limited reserves, so that kinda rules out air-combat allowance and therefore isn’t combat radius, at all. Actual combat radius is even smaller.I don’t know how simpler to explain this?? Sorry…
You’re missing my point, so I’ll go over it slowly-
The F-22’s combat radius is further than 310/100, or an F-15 on internal fuel for that matter.
@LmRaptor
Please drop the superior tone and keep your lectures for your pals.
The day i need one i know where to ask and you’re not in my list, even if it’s quiet a short one.
Pot- this is Kettle. Come in, over….
I’d take this with a pinch of salt. A common mistake is to convert a Mach number (at altitude) to mph (or km/h) using the agreed ratio for sea level (and a standard day). Undoing the math in the right way is thus often bound to fail.
I mean 1600 mph may translates to Mach 2.1. Because for those who don’t really care/know how Mach number varies with altitude, Mach 2.1 * 762 mph (sea level) = 1600 mph. Almost everybody (wrongly) do it that way.Just my two cents though. Arguing on maximum speed is pointless anyway, mainly because the theoretical limits can often be exceeded (Mirage III, IV or 2000 going Mach 2.5+ dash comes to my mind, to name a few). Ditto for altitude, G load, etc.
But at altitude, the speed of sound is ~660mph, hence the M2.42. In any event the speed that was quoted was in mph, which is the same at any altitude. Too much pondering is going into a relatively straight forward statement.
No, Sens knows better. Haven’t you figured that out by now? 😉
Indeed I have, but he’s not the sole proprietor of such attitudes.