I can kinda agree with this but also not. In combat the actual time in theatre is very small, therefore an F-15 can afford, I guess, to go past mach 2. etc..(or whatever is the max AMRAAM firing speed) for the shot of the missile, it certainly wont be travelling that fast for long. Basically for a very short, but important instant in the engagement it can actually better the Raptor in missile Kinematics at least.
However the Raptor can do 1.7 SC I have heard, which will obviously give huge benefits in IR/Fuel reduction, but you have to ask will the combat take that long to result in the Raptor becoming more efficient and showing its advantages?
If the Raptor pilot doesn’t mind giving up a higher IR signature, he can fly faster than the Eagle with a combat load.
I can kinda agree with this but also not. In combat the actual time in theatre is very small, therefore an F-15 can afford, I guess, to go past mach 2. etc..(or whatever is the max AMRAAM firing speed) for the shot of the missile, it certainly wont be travelling that fast for long. Basically for a very short, but important instant in the engagement it can actually better the Raptor in missile Kinematics at least.
However the Raptor can do 1.7 SC I have heard, which will obviously give huge benefits in IR/Fuel reduction, but you have to ask will the combat take that long to result in the Raptor becoming more efficient and showing its advantages?
If the Raptor pilot doesn’t mind giving up a higher IR signature, he can fly faster than the Eagle with a combat load.
The maximum speed of the F-15 is over Mach 2,3, not 0,9. These claims are made to show an artificial ‘advantage’ that does not really exist.
How long do you think an F-15 can stay at M2.3 though? What happens if it has to merge, and it’s burned off a lot of fuel using A/B, and is at Bingo fuel in a dogfight? That’s why the F-22’s supersonic persistence is noteworthy.
The maximum speed of the F-15 is over Mach 2,3, not 0,9. These claims are made to show an artificial ‘advantage’ that does not really exist.
How long do you think an F-15 can stay at M2.3 though? What happens if it has to merge, and it’s burned off a lot of fuel using A/B, and is at Bingo fuel in a dogfight? That’s why the F-22’s supersonic persistence is noteworthy.
Could you put some more numbers to your example to explain the proposed 50% difference? What are your speed and height numbers for the baseline aircraft and what are your speed and height for the F-22?
M.9 @ 40k feet vs. M1.5+ @60k feet
50% increase according to which baseline? An F-15C going M1.6 at 40k ft?
50% increase over a M.9 launch at 40k feet. If the F-15 is flying at the same speed and altitude, then there’d be no difference. The DIFFERENCE is what sort of fuel state will the F-15 be in to accelerate and climb, to match the F-22, and what sort of increase in IR signature will the use of A/B cause.
What your link does claim is true for every AAM. In that case not even a basic example is given. Just “highly depends” and “are classified” are empty claims to stay polite. Military and engineers are aware about the present state of technology and even elements of the AIM-120 are European technology. So “classified” is related to the software at first, when the public is kept in the “dark”.
“The effective range of the AIM-120A of course highly depends on the firing parameters, and official performance data are classified. Typical quoted figures for maximum range vary between 50 km (30 miles) and 70 km (45 miles).”
“an expanded no-escape envelope, improved HOBS (High-Angle Off-Boresight) capability, and a 50% increase in range.”
Here the ratio of the propulsion-section is rised and the lofting mode is refined.
But as given by your source, that is 50% of an unknown basic condition as are the distances for maximum range quoted.
The C5 is typically credited in the ~65 mile max engagement range. The C7 has a range increase over the C5, and the D model has a 50 percent longer max engagement range than the C7. While no parameters are given with these numbers, one can surmise that these most likely represent high altitude, head on shots, against non-maneuvering targets. Another thing in the food for thought category is that when these missiles are fired from a supercruising F-22 at high altitude, there’ll be another 50 percent increase due to the kinematic advantage.
I can still not see, what your intention is related to that. Please discribe it in a more detailed way. I am sure we will find the next black whole of knowledge, when it comes to AAMs and their related range and speed or flight-performances in general.
Ok, how’s this in simplified terms- miniaturized electronics, and smaller warhead, allows a larger amount of propellant for the motor. The larger amount of propellant allows for a a longer burn, which means greater range, and more energy at the endstate to engage a maneuvering target. Does that help elucidate things?
Typical nonsense. The range of an AAM is related to the burn-time of a motor. Not a larger motor but a higher fuel-load will make the difference. 😎
Happy/Glad. I think you know what I was getting at.
I think potential customers can be more that satisfied seeing planned capabilities of the F-35 today. That is likely to change when PAK-FA or J-XX once come out and many might start to look at F-22 again. Will USA be able to keep the F-22 line open until then?
How long can/will they wait to buy new aircraft though? Even if the PAK FA reaches IOC on time, the soonest they’d start equipping RuAF units would be 2015, and it be several years before any significant exports would occur(~2020). the F-35 will start equipping forces probably 5-10yrs sooner.
In the meanwhile their current aircraft are getting old, and the late model Flankers are getting more capable.
I believe the reduced warhead was a prize they were willing to pay to squeeze in HOJ, in order to maintain lock if jammed, if size was no issue, the larger warhead would be kept.
I think it was a prize well spent.
The reduced warhead was due to the higher accuracy. This allowed a larger motor, for more range too. The electronics have shrunk in size, but having a bigger motor without a longer missile was a huge plus.
E/F-18G Growler
I can only see the Growler being ‘fully’ utilized whilst the F/A-18E/F is in service.
For I think its role will become less active, when the F-35 (if and when) comes into service.
For the stealthy nature and profile of the F-35 (unfortunately not the A-12!) will not be wanting the Growler to be announcing its presents with noise (jamming) while it wants silence as its primary weapon.
Saying this, the Growler will still have a place in case everything goes pear shape in a strike.
Who knows – we may even see an E/F-35, if there is $ in it!Regards
Pioneer
Even when F-35s come into service, there are still a number of roles for the Growler, both in supporting various aerial and ground assets.
then why have to separate super hornets, why not combine both features into one version?
Because the missions are completely different, and for the SEAD/DEAD/Jamming missions you need specialized equipment, and training of the air crews.
If you are referring to range and software updatable ECCM, yep, although at the expense of blast area, but that should even out with incremental seeker improvements. If you are referring to agility, nope.
With a more accurate missile and better fuse, the necessity of a large warhead is lessened. You also have to look at the seeker’s ability to maintain lock, and the available energy of a larger motor(which allows you to maintain your agility against a maneuvering target).
How will that work, if you have two stealthy aircraft such as F22 vs F35 will it usually result in a WVR engagement or will they just never find each other?
They’d have to make use of ESM/IRST/other sensor platforms datalinked, as they’d betray their location if they started using high power radar scans. Once they got close, they might use their low probability of intercept modes, for additional situational awareness. In any event, you wouldn’t have any long range engagements.
Are stealth aircraft effective against ground radar below them scanning up?
Arrays would work but are super costly i believe.
Seems to me that if i was in charge of budgets i would be investing the lions share into anti stealth detection.
yes, yes, and yes.