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  • in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2360794
    wrightwing
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    The last part of the flight will be a steep dive though, so I suspect the airspeed would still be pretty good(certainly not in the 200mph range). It’s not gonna be like shooting a UAV or helicopter. A TLAM would be a closer analogy in terms of difficulty.

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2360802
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    Because an armed F-16 is unlikely to exceed M1.6(perhaps with a pair of wingtip missile it might).

    in reply to: counter stealth: the way forward for Europe? #2360909
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    It would be irrelevant if the F-16 lit up at M1.6, as it would be unarmed, and secondly, were the F-35 unarmed, there’d likely only be a M.2 difference in speed.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XV #2360923
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    NIIP head said they will be radars, among the 5 total on the plane.

    It only has very limited elevation range, not to mention a relative short detection range due to the apeture size/power.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XV #2360926
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    That’s still pretty optimistic when you look at historic examples- F-22 first flight 1997 and IOC in 2005, or F-35 first flight in 2006 and IOC in ~2015(and that includes double digit #s of test aircraft, CatBird, etc…). Unless they got every single thing right the first time, I would be surprised to see IOC in 2015, when there isn’t even a production representative model flying yet. Heck, the Su-35 isn’t even at IOC yet, and that’s a far less ambitious aircraft.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2360931
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    -It shouldn’t take nearly as much power to mask a relatively low RCS target.
    -It’s likely the Pantsyr, etc.. system will be having to discriminate between false targets on their radars.
    -there doesn’t need to be different release points. The flight paths can be programmed, and still launched at one time. You’re also assuming that it’s just one F-35 dropping bombs. If HARM/AARGM equipped aircraft are thrown into the mix, it further complicates matters for the SAM operator.
    -as for the speed the SDB travels, my assumptions are based on the fact that it can fly >60nm when launched subsonically, and >80nm when launched supersonically. If it bled airspeed the way you’re asserting, it’d be losing altitude rapidly, and never be able to reach such distances.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XV #2361012
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    The sign on that pic says “Active Phased Array – L band”.

    Some basic info on the sign below

    http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc39/th_94855_p8261849kl1_122_39lo.jpg

    There’s some speculation that it has a secondary role as a data link jammer.

    That sign isn’t for the array to the left, but the one on the table behind it, which goes in the leading edge of the wings. You can see that in the pic, as well as see the text referring to such a system. The main array is X band.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2361053
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    Agreed, and something like this could make all the difference [to their survivability].

    I guess USN F-35s must plan for such defenses in China a decade down the line.

    You can be sure that the USAF has considered low frequency, and other bands of radars, S300/400, Tor M1, Pantsyr, PAK FA, J-20, etc…when coming up with plans and tactics.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2361055
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    How effective are these sytems in a heavy ECM environment, and with bombs coming from different angles/azimuths?

    I think the M.3 speed estimate is VERY conservative, especially if the SDB is launched supersonically. There’s no way it could achieve the ranges it does, if it bled airspeed like that. My guess is that it’d be flying at 2-3x that speed, and coming in at a very steep angle.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2361185
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    Even with unmanned drones looking for targets, the conventional plane will have to use stand off weapons(which are expensive, and can’t hit moving targets).

    The F-35s wouldn’t be reliant on stand off jammers, especially with EA, and NGJ onboard, and due to their longer range, would be less reliant on tanker support as well. They’d also be able to self-escort, mitigating the necessity of CAPs.

    I didn’t say that nobody would be emitting, but with NCW, emissions could be minimized.
    The race here would also be LPI vs ESM. If one side has advantages in one or both of those, it makes their foe’s job a lot harder. You’re also looking at things at platform levels, when the battle will be at systems levels. Even a foe with a very capable platform will be very disadvantaged if his support systems are no match(even against a less capable platform).

    in reply to: Hot Dog's F-35 Cyber News Thread #4 (four) YEEEEEE-HAAA!!! #2361210
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    LM/USAF have said that it could reach M1.6 with a combat load, and…fire its missiles at that speed. They have also said that it can fly 1200mph, which actually works out to ~ M1.8.

    in reply to: F135 vs F136 #2361215
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    The issue is still the lift fan, not the engine. An F-136 powered F-35 would have the same issue. As for the weapons bays, it was my understanding that the size limitation was due to the lift fan, and its associatied systems taking up space, not a means to save weight.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2361246
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    I think the more accurate statement is that you didn’t get the answers that you wanted to hear.

    Each F-35 can carry 8 SDBs, and while they are a bomb with wings in a sense, it still represents 8 targets/F-35 that must be shot down(and no system has a 100% PK). At some point the SAM sites are going to have to reload/relocate, so unless they can keep up with the volume of incoming fire, they’re going to eventually lose that battle.

    So can any other platform, with equivalent systems, you mean,

    The non-stealthy aircraft would be far more dependent on escort jammers, etc… and have to stay hundreds of KM away to avoid the WEZ of S300/400, which means they’d have to use cruise missiles of some sort, which only work, if the SAM site hasn’t relocated.
    SDBs can hit moving targets too, when the SAMs are more vulnerable.

    As for countering stealthiness, I don’t see a technology coming anytime soon, to render it ineffective(hence the T-50/J-20, etc…). Radar will always have the laws of physics to deal with, so while improvements in detection will occur, it won’t suddenly make stealthy planes visible at conventional distances. Sure there are certain bands of radar that can detect stealthy planes at longer distances, but they can’t track them, or provide targeting solutions, and most importantly, they aren’t widely proliferated(and are generally not very mobile). This makes them high value targets, which once taken out of the equation, moves the foe back to square one. IRST is another method, but again, it’s range limited, and works best when cued, and is weather dependant. There are other trip wire methods available, but again, none can provide firing solutions, which means at the end of the day, it’s still a challenging task to counter a VLO foe, with a non-VLO platform.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode XV #2361268
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    I kind of understand the advantages of such system for a dedicated striker like F-35 but why it’s suddenly so essential for an air superiority fighter? Especially considering the fact that in other threads you claim that F-22 does not even need IRST !! :confused:

    I would also love to have explained how exactly would you use FLIR imagery for IFF. Freezing the picture and compare it with aircraft recognition chart? :confused:

    Well presumably, the PAK FA will be a multi-role aircraft, with air superiority being one of it missions?

    I’ve never said that it was essential, but it is most certainly beneficial.

    The pilot wouldn’t be the one comparing imagery. That would be an automatic function, and only in WVR, where multiple aircraft types would be flying around. The system would track all aircraft within range, keeping tabs on who was who. This is extremely helpful when operating in a dynamic 3 dimensional environment, when there is the possibility of a number of aircraft to be flying in close proximity(both friend and foe). It A- cuts down the risk of fratricide, and B-allows you to engage first, as the enemy will also likely be concerned about fratricide. C- it also keeps a foe from being able to sneak up from your rear.

    in reply to: "Super Hornet better than Harrier, Tornado and Typhoon" #2361296
    wrightwing
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    The point of SDBs, is that the sheer numbers can soon saturate SAM sites, and at less cost than using $1M+ dollar weapons for each target. The F-35 also carries JSOW and JASSM, etc…, so SDBs aren’t the only option.

    Whose report on penetration ability are you referring to- Kopp?

    The beauty of NCW, is that the F-35 isn’t solely reliant on onboard sensors, for SA, but in terms of looking for targets, it can use ISAR modes of its radar(along with GMTI), its EOTS, and its ESM. Now combine these with third party targeting from either fellow F-35s, UAVs, or other platforms.

    The less stealthy aircraft, would be reliant on larger support packages, use more expensive weapons, give up the element of surprise, etc….

    The non-stealthy aircraft is also disadvantaged, if the foe has stealthy fighters of their own.

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