You are right, a world of hurt for the fighter! If the fighter is in the area and flying around looking for things for too long – then it will be detected by anything from another radar further away, AWACS far away, to a guy with binoculars and ears, a small SAM system will light up and detect it (even an F-22 or F-35, if it’s nearby – since it’ll be scanning the bottom of the jet where the RCS is big), and in that case, the fighter is going to get attacked before it can even react.

The fighter won’t be flying around blind. It’ll have ESM/RWR showing emitters, and detection ranges. You’d have to have pretty good eyes and ears to hear/see an aircraft flying at 40 to 60k feet, at night time(which is when an attack would start). You’re also ignoring the fact that there’d be a lot of electronic attacks/spoofing w/ false targets/decoys/jamming/E-bombs/etc… being used prior to/concurrently with the Raptors/Lightnings missions.

ISR is all nice and dandy, but mobile SAM systems aren’t going to be in the same spot all the time.

Mobile SAMs won’t have gone into hiding if they weren’t expecting an attack.

This is assuming it hit a stationary target like a building. Hundreds of miles away could be a hundred miles closer to another S-400, which will be happy to take out the retreating Raptor – as it’s designed with stealth detection in mind.

Or that S-400 is the target in the first place. The S-400 may be able to pick up stealthy targets at short range, but there won’t be any 400km shots. The S-400s will be well withing the envelope of the attacking plane’s weapons, before they ever know they’re being targeted.

Being the stealth-cheerleader that you are, I’m going to assume you mean they designed the F-22 to be stealthier than the B-2 for example.

They probably also made it to exceed the F-15 in all ways.

Now Sukhoi, with 1000 people working on the T-50, clearly know more than you about the F-22, or at least as much as you.

They HAVE a target RCS (.0001 or whatever non sense you post here – your total guesswork), and they are going to try and achieve it. The jet was delayed a year, which makes sense, probably because they are doing their best to meet and exceed expectations. Pogosyan himself said the PAK-FA will be the F-22s match in all areas, even when the Su-35BM is just as maneuverable as the F-22.

-Russia obviously believes that Stealth is important and useful, or they wouldn’t be including it on the T-50. Perhaps you should pay attention to
Sukhoi, if my assertions aren’t persuasive enough.

-the Flanker still hasn’t exceeded the F-15 is all areas.

-I’m sure Sukhoi does know more than me, but that doesn’t mean that they know enough about the classified specs, to say they’ve exceeded the Raptor.

-it’s great to have goals. Perhaps they’ll achieve their target RCS, as it’s easy to make an operational VLO aircraft to whatever spec they wish, and at an affordable cost.:rolleyes:

As opposed to believe you and your US flag waving and stealth-awing posts?

Pot, this is kettle. Come in….over.

The IRBIS seems to have a longer range than the APG-77.

An AESA upgraded IRBIS type is going to be better than the APG-77 at least in some aspects for sure.

-and what is the maximum range of the APG-77 exactly? You can’t compare non-LPI max range with LPI max range. You also need to look at the range vs. RCS of the target being detected/tracked. You also need to look at the number of targets that can be detected/tracked.

-Russian AESA technology is still far behind the US, and the US isn’t resting on its laurels either.

There is also no guarantee that home-on-jam will be able to track the target, as ECM signals can vary from what I understand.

Well if that’s the case, that’s a vulnerability that Russian missiles have too, in that mode.

China has even more money than Japan/EU/US combined.

You’re funny.

COTS have big influenced on avionics and Russia technolgoy is pretty high. Even downgraded stuff will give them fighter better than aerodynamically deficient fighter F-18E with only Mach 1.6 topspeed. J-10 is nothing less than EF in supersonic performance but behind Su-27SM/Su-35/MIG-31.

That’s M 1.8+ for the SH, and the Typhoon out accelerates Flankers, as well as cruising faster. I’ll admit the Foxhound is faster though.

I understand that. However, the farther you go into concepts the farther you go with less assurance that it may or may not finish in the end. Sometimes budgetary issues, sometimes issues with the whole concept itself.

By the way, when something is finally revealed in China, its never at the start of the project. Sometimes its near the finish, sometimes its already in the final stages of testing, sometimes its already operational, sometimes only because they are planning a variant for export, and there are times, weapons systems are only revealed years after they are operational.

You also have to take into consideration that when the F-35s come online, those AIM-120Ds are really gonna shine, as they’ll be much more likely to be within their NEZ when launched. Even if the foe has a longer ranged missile, it won’t be able to take advantage due to the decreased detection range.

The AIM-120D advantage is not going to last in the long run given its confirmed that the PLAAF is also developing its own ramjet BVRAAM.

And we’re developing the JDRADM.:cool:

You are joking now right?
If the money is right………

Anyway, and seriously NO, mainly because your central government can block that.
But there WILL be others.

Here’s the issue-

There are certain wavelengths that have a greater chance at picking up stealth aircraft, but…they aren’t accurate enough to give any precise tracking info, much less guide weapons. X band is always gonna be limited in its ability to detect/lock onto a stealthy target. Fighters are too small to carry a radar in the wavelength/power to significantly overcome detection range deficiencies. Large ground based radars that can detect stealthy targets, make nice targets themselves(and you can be they’re high priority targets).

Even 1:1 is quite possible. When it comes to a volleyed BVRAAM exchange, there are good chances of mutually assured destruction. Even if you kill the other, there is a very good chance you won’t do it soon enough for him to stop him from launching his missiles to kill you.

This is a assuming rough parity in the BVRAAMS. If you have a longer ranged missile, then the odds change.

Because if half the world obtains a fighter that survives by hiding from radars, the other half, will put its butt down and find a way* to reveal it.

That simple.

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*Or a combination of ways it doesn’t matter.

Not every country can afford to do that though. Russia, among other nations seems to think it’s an important capability. Low RCS is always gonna be better than high RCS, no matter what an enemy has been doing to upgrade. It still means that it’ll take them longer to detect you(if you fly within their detection range at all). Remember- part of the situational awareness advantages on the F-22/35, is knowing the threat detection radii, which allows them to plan flight paths exploiting this.

a. I dont believe low RCS is useless
b. PAK FA is still under development. The only thing I ve seen are some (not even good) 3d renditions.
c. The F-22 shows the way. (in use of stealth)
d. and most important!! The major problem with the F35 is NOT its compromised design, or its small internal carriage, or its first day of the war concept, but the huge numbers it is going to be produced 😉
US should keep stealth technology in very few numbers.

Why is having a larger number of very capable aircraft a bad thing? That just creates a greater number of problems for an enemy air defense/Air Force.