Tornado F3 is pretty new aircraft for airdefence. I dont doubt its radar longer ranged than MIG-29A. But i have doubt Skyflash is longer ranged than R-27. R-27 may be from obsolete stocks as soviet articles have short life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado_ADV
Tornado F3
The Tornado F3 made its maiden flight on 20 November 1985.[1] Entering service in July 1986, 152 F3s were ordered. The F3’s primary weapons when it entered service were the short-range AIM-9 Sidewinder and British Aerospace Skyflash, a British medium-range air-to-air missile based on the American AIM-7 Sparrow.

The current F3s have a longer radar range than any Mig-29 in service, not just the A models.

Even in full specification MIG-29A was very low end. it terms of engine life(which effect its acceleration), radar performance and most probably missile. How do u think 1600 were built in less than a decade time under severe funding cuts. If it was in 70s. It would have reached 10,000 figure. There was nothing wrong with fighter design. MIG-29M of late 80s solved most of problems when uprated 2000 hr life engine introduced. MIG-29K of today has much more range than Tornado so it can chose to refuse to fight. Radar can see further, missile can fire further, latest IRST, full multirole. All at fraction of cost of Tornado upgrade. U cannot compare longtivity of Russian designs. If MIG-35 price is raised to EF level. Expect 30K lbs engines with supercruise upto Mach 2. The whole point is there is nothing special in EF that makes it better than other 4th generation fighters. heck it cannot fly from aircraft carrier without substantial investment. can u put time frame of R-27 vs Skyflash?. In soviet system things were moving very slowly. It is highly possible that missile designed in 70s were produced a decade later with 1950s era industrial machine precision. Thats why R-27 in 21st century are still selling along with R-77 because upgrade potential is there with minimum cost.

Mig 29 has a longer range than a Tornado, and a longer radar range?:rolleyes:

Mig 35 supercruising at M2 with upgraded engines?:eek::rolleyes:

The Beretta 9mm is a long way from being new and frankly I would much rather have the old 1911 anyway.;)

Or better yet a new 1911.:D

I’m thinking that a Springfield Armory, Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, etc… would make a fine new sidearm.

The MiG-25 is the one only unsurpassed fighter aircraft.

If I were fighting UFOs, that’d be what I’d want to fly.:cool:

I only read serious stuff not Joust simulation based on inaccurate assumpion.

here is further leak of Supercrusie ability.

All I take away from that article is that the latest Flanker will be able to exceed M2, and will be able to cruise above supersonic speeds. What wasn’t mentioned was what kind of payload it could carry or how far, at these speeds.

That Flanker also includes Su-34 that is completely immune to missiles. what missile does it uses for EF to shot Flanker? what was the range of Flanker missiles? I am sure Joust also takes into account lighter airframe of Flanker, Its 11.5 tons fuel load for massive use of afterburner for superior BVR shot, 3D TVC.
Sukhoi has clearly disclosed its consenus opionion through test pilot interview that EF/Rafale/F-18E are inferior to latest Flanker. I am sure they are reading these magazines as Sukhoi is part of every airshow and Saturn has further said they get secret information which establishes that fighter (PAK-FA) they are working on is superior to anything developed in West.

If the SU-34 is immune to missiles, why would the RuAF buy anything else? They should buy a few thousand of those and replace every other tactical aircraft in their inventory. They could even save the money they’re spending, developing the Su-35 and PAK-FA.:rolleyes:

All the pretty pictures in the world dont change facts, its nice to have the best equipment and not need it then to need it and not have it. But surprise, the best weaponry, civilian support are not must haves for victory. By your thinking America needed the support of afghanistan to bomb afghanistan when clearly they had all the support at homedespite the disadvantages, I’d still put The RAAF’s F/A-18A/B (Upgraded) against swarms of Su-30’s……. why?

Training and Espirit de Corp, and truly defending your country is worth a couple of extra squadrons up there!!!!!

I’m guessing those RAAF Hornet pilots have significant advantages in training/tactics, etc.. which would certainly be an advantage, like you said.
If the Flanker pilot doesn’t know how to maximize his aircraft/weapon systems, he’s in for a rude awakening against a squared away foe.

Chinese has alot of money to pour into single projects. British/German combined cannot afford to send men into space. Galileo needs lift services from Russia.

Can’t afford, or is it that they have different economic priorities? They’re using the more economically sound method to achieve their goals.